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    Mad2Ad is offline First Team Player International Superstar
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    Default Do england create technicaly sound players

    I hered on a radio station the other day that this former england player said that the england players have no technical qualit like the brazilians or spainish or the rest of the big international teams in the world.

    i think that this is true to a certain amount

    i think the reason for this is the premiership beacuse the premiership plays play by counter attacking

    so the ball is given away very often however in all other leagues if you give the ball away you wont see the ball for a few minutes wereas against most teams in the premiership you know the ball may be given away soon

    i belive another problem to this is that English people are TO passionate (no offence to any people from other countries if you feel that i am saying you have no passion)

    like ive been to brazil and watched kids play football there and its something they do for fun and i think that this is not true in england as if you watch a kids match the players care to much about winning it means everything to them whereas in other countries they dont care as much( im really not trying to offend any on here)
    in england matches you have the parents shouting and swearing at the sidelines. something i have never seen in other countries.


    Please feel free to have your say on this topic

    PS im not saying that peoplefrom other countries are not passionate just that they enjoy it more.

    Plz say why you think what you think
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    I don't know...I think it is not true.The true is just for one player and the player is - Bekcham.He is famouse just from comercials and he is very popular on women side but I don't know why...But other players are very good and they are famouse because they are realy good players (Lampard,Gerard,Drogba,Terry,Henry...and so on and so one...)
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    I have read from several sources valid comments on this subject. One source is from (Sir) Bobby Robson, another is Frank Rjikaard, another is Ron Atkinson. There are others, and I've also studied the subject myself

    The problems with the English is that they are too eager to concentrate English youth players on the skills they develop from competitive play. These skills are things such as awareness, competitive edge, agression, will to win, inspiration and so on. We are talking mental skills, and the ability to develop technical skills through the playing of games against others. This is not always good, because in a competitive game, you are often switched on to the play and what is happening around you, and what you do, your choices in a game, are driven through your instinct and basic motor memory.

    By that I mean that when you pass a ball, you dont have to think about it, even when you play at a level I would imagine most people who post on this board do. In a game, you see a pass, you make the pass without thinking about pulling your foot back, and executing it. It just comes naturally. That is because its in your mind as a technique you can repeat, so it just happens when you need it to. But what if this action is being performed wrong? In a game, you are just going to continue to use poor technique, because your instint tells you that is how to pass a ball, not if you are doing it right or wrong.

    The Dutch believe the opposite to the English (And produce far better young players than us ) They do not play their youth players in any kind of competitive game no matter what their age is, until they have mastered skills technically. Unless you can prove you can pass, and head, and shoot in a technically sound way, you do not play matches. This is because it is no use playing against others if you cannot do the skills on the pitch you will need to win. This way of thinking stops players from allowing themselves to constantly perform a pass or header poorly in a game because that is how they have always done it, because the way they do it has been taught to them until it right and wont fail them when put up to the riggorous pressure of professional football.

    The Dutch also believe the fact that mental skills are easier to teach and will be better recieved once players are technically sound, so there is no rush to teach them at such an early age as we do in this country. By spending the early years of a players life teaching him or her how to play technically well, by the time the child is older and more mentally mature, they will learn the mental outlook to the game a lot better and a lot more comfortably.

    I hope that makes sense, and I didnt repeat myself, but yes, interesting stuff, good thread man =D>
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    They dont have technical quality but this dosnt mean that they are not skilled in other ways. It is not just technical abillity that counts. Look at the star players that england has like Lampard and Gerrard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DS
    They dont have technical quality but this dosnt mean that they are not skilled in other ways. It is not just technical abillity that counts. Look at the star players that england has like Lampard and Gerrard.
    Who both happen to be technically proficient in my humble opinion. Great idea for a thread, and nice reply Wednesday Lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wednesdaylad43
    I have read from several sources valid comments on this subject. One source is from (Sir) Bobby Robson, another is Frank Rjikaard, another is Ron Atkinson. There are others, and I've also studied the subject myself

    The problems with the English is that they are too eager to concentrate English youth players on the skills they develop from competitive play. These skills are things such as awareness, competitive edge, agression, will to win, inspiration and so on. We are talking mental skills, and the ability to develop technical skills through the playing of games against others. This is not always good, because in a competitive game, you are often switched on to the play and what is happening around you, and what you do, your choices in a game, are driven through your instinct and basic motor memory.

    By that I mean that when you pass a ball, you dont have to think about it, even when you play at a level I would imagine most people who post on this board do. In a game, you see a pass, you make the pass without thinking about pulling your foot back, and executing it. It just comes naturally. That is because its in your mind as a technique you can repeat, so it just happens when you need it to. But what if this action is being performed wrong? In a game, you are just going to continue to use poor technique, because your instint tells you that is how to pass a ball, not if you are doing it right or wrong.

    The Dutch believe the opposite to the English (And produce far better young players than us ) They do not play their youth players in any kind of competitive game no matter what their age is, until they have mastered skills technically. Unless you can prove you can pass, and head, and shoot in a technically sound way, you do not play matches. This is because it is no use playing against others if you cannot do the skills on the pitch you will need to win. This way of thinking stops players from allowing themselves to constantly perform a pass or header poorly in a game because that is how they have always done it, because the way they do it has been taught to them until it right and wont fail them when put up to the riggorous pressure of professional football.

    The Dutch also believe the fact that mental skills are easier to teach and will be better recieved once players are technically sound, so there is no rush to teach them at such an early age as we do in this country. By spending the early years of a players life teaching him or her how to play technically well, by the time the child is older and more mentally mature, they will learn the mental outlook to the game a lot better and a lot more comfortably.

    I hope that makes sense, and I didnt repeat myself, but yes, interesting stuff, good thread man =D>
    yeah understand what you are saying about what the dutch do but i think that this is not the way i think you need a compromise.

    think that even at a young age you need to get experience and i think playing matches gives you very valuable experience

    yeah think that the most important football thing is easliy the brian if your got a good football brain then i think that you are halfway there to being a good footballer

    think that another problem in english football scouts aswell is that when they look at a player they look at his attributes first then they look at how tall he is and fast and hes stamina
    (yes these are important but english football teams have rejected some really good players beacuse of these things)

    Nottingham forrest as ive said before rejected SWP because he was so small #-o [-( =; [-X
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad2Ad
    yeah think that the most important football thing is easliy the brian
    May? Clough? :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Jensen's Underpants
    Quote Originally Posted by Mad2Ad
    yeah think that the most important football thing is easliy the brian
    May? Clough? :wink:
    soz mean brain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad2Ad
    yeah think that the most important football thing is easliy the brian
    May? Clough? :wink:
    soz mean brain
    cause my grandads called brian #-o #-o #-o #-o
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    sorry, but still haven't had time to reply when sober.... got new job paying good money today so been out all night. Still a bloody good post, and will still reply when poss...
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    Seriously england have no technical abillity....u want technical abillity? well then...go to the travel agaent and book a ticket to south america.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DS
    Seriously england have no technical abillity....u want technical abillity? well then...go to the travel agaent and book a ticket to south america.
    I don't think like that.It is true that South America have very good players but England HAVE technical abillity.
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    yeah i think i should of put som more options for the the question

    think that england do but just not any were near the standards of brazil
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    english players have got good technique but they don't show it in matches, because their playing style is passing. they aren't showing their individual skills because in english teams there are playing all players in team. there are a lot of tactical discipline so everybody want to do their roles as good as they can.

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    i dont agree here in brazil football is passionate i mean every child wants to be a football player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan
    i dont agree here in brazil football is passionate i mean every child wants to be a football player.
    wanting to be a footballer is not passion

    i dreamt of being a footballer but no clubs wanted me

    this does not mean im passionate

    its lots of things like being

    pride in your country
    patriotism
    competitiveness

    loads more but i cant be bothered to type

    what i was trying to say was that when you watch brazil the players seem relaxed compared to england.
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