NSGP Online Championship 8

[Alfonso]

Hehe... well my signature is right, yours is wrong! Like you said, you won and got points and I didn't because I got disconnected or backmarkers got me but I was still ahead and there was no real chance you'd get me so that made you more successful, or better or something, not faster!

I would bet now a big amount of money that the next post here is from Krz or Prz complaining with your excuses!
For me its the results that count, and if someone stays ahead of someone else for 3 seasons in row it means is faster then the others or? Maybe its just luck right??
Ok, we have to stop now otherwise our Rob shows up with the stick and......

[przemator]

Make sure section 1.U has more NAYS than YAYS, cause otherwise I\'m gonna appeal to Strasburg .

Explanation:
Lets say Paul Mellor has 120 voting points in steward voting, whereas the active drivers section has 110 YES and 90 NO (55% YES). Now Peter says this means we will use the results of stewards voting. And I say hell no, we are going to use the active drivers rule, because that\'s what the majority wants. It that clear for you?

[peter-27]

I'm not sure i understand the critisism here and i especially don't understand this:

Make sure section 1.U has more NAYS than YAYS, cause otherwise I\'m gonna appeal to Strasburg .

I thought you were pro 1U?

Someone (i think Kos) suggested that the most active drivers in season seven are stewards, i put it on the sheet - if it gets the most votes it gets carried through ... i don't see the issue?

P.S. Five votes for 3 stewards and 2 backups

[przemator]

I\'m not sure i understand the critisism here and i especially don\'t understand this:



I thought you were pro 1U?

Someone (i think Kos) suggested that the most active drivers in season seven are stewards, i put it on the sheet - if it gets the most votes it gets carried through ... i don\'t see the issue?

P.S. Five votes for 3 stewards and 2 backups

I\'m sorry, most votes out of what? I\'m telling you, if most active has more YES than NO, most active will win. It\'s not something you can argue with or decide on.

[Spades]

Alrighty. I've made my decision for season 8. I'm going to be with sauber. I hope its cool that I'm your teamate Klemen.

[King Rob]

I\'m sorry, most votes out of what? I\'m telling you, if most active has more YES than NO, most active will win. It\'s not something you can argue with or decide on.

Under the weighted voted system its not for sure. By that logic if we had a load of people do 1 race each last season and then all vote for kers meaning they had more yes than nos would it be right for it come in?

Quite frankly I'm getting tired of you and others complaining because you are not getting your way. Let people make their own decisions, stop trying to pick holes in a system that you were fine with when you thought you were going to get your way and stop trolling people who disagree with you. NSGP is just a game at the end of the day.

This forum has rules against trolling, sniping and abusing and they are there for a reason. If you don't like it go elsewhere, NSGPOC will continue on regardless.

[Sida79]

What Prz said.

[przemator]

Under the weighted voted system its not for sure. By that logic if we had a load of people do 1 race each last season and then all vote for kers meaning they had more yes than nos would it be right for it come in?

Quite frankly I'm getting tired of you and others complaining because you are not getting your way. Let people make their own decisions, stop trying to pick holes in a system that you were fine with when you thought you were going to get your way and stop trolling people who disagree with you. NSGP is just a game at the end of the day.

This forum has rules against trolling, sniping and abusing and they are there for a reason. If you don't like it go elsewhere, NSGPOC will continue on regardless.

Rob, you didn't understand what I wrote. I don't mean more "YES" cells than more "NO" cells. I mean the YES score being higher than the NO score. In the weighted system I have 20 votes, so I vote 20 x YES on for selecting the RC from the most active drivers.

I'm not trying to defy the weighted system! I'm just opposing to what Peter said, that "active drivers" will only win if it has more YES points than the best driver. Voting for a particular driver is about who has more YES points and the "active drivers" section is like voting KERS ON/OFF, it has to get over 50% to pass. I don't care as much for the result as for admitting that the logic i presented is the correct one.

About your bolded text, you better stop threatening because you don't own NSGPOC any more than anyone else does, so you have no right to say what NSGPOC will or won't do. Trolling? That's offensive, I have better things to do than to stir up a useless debate. I only brought this up because when I see 2+2=5, I must object. And you're saying "we have the right to think that 2+2=5, if you disagree, go elsewhere".

[King Rob]

Rob, you didn't understand what I wrote. I don't mean more "YES" cells than more "NO" cells. I mean the YES score being higher than the NO score. In the weighted system I have 20 votes, so I vote 20 x YES on for selecting the RC from the most active drivers.

I'm not trying to defy the weighted system! I'm just opposing to what Peter said, that "active drivers" will only win if it has more YES points than the best driver. Voting for a particular driver is about who has more YES points and the "active drivers" section is like voting KERS ON/OFF, it has to get over 50% to pass. I don't care as much for the result as for admitting that the logic i presented is the correct one.

About your bolded text, you better stop threatening because you don't own NSGPOC any more than anyone else does, so you have no right to say what NSGPOC will or won't do. Trolling? That's offensive, I have better things to do that to stir up a useless debate. I only brought this up because when I see 2+2=5, I must object. And you're saying "we have the right to think that 2+2=5, if you disagree, go elsewhere".

I don't lay claim to owning NSGPOC but I do have a responsibility to keep this forum from descending into pages of in fighting and meaningless arguing, I also have a responsibility to ensure that members are not attacked, bullied, trolled, flamed etc

Me saying if you do not like it go elsewhere does not apply to NSGPOC but to New Star Forums as a whole. Take notice that people want to have fun and thats the way it should be. In the past few days the forum posting has been vastly negative and its not on nor it is right. I don't mind debate but to jump all over someone for voicing their opinion if it contradicts yours is again not on. In the past I've taken a laid back approach to moderating the OC threads and let some things go on the understanding that considering the amount of time we have all been playing that we can have a laugh and a joke all in the name of banter. However it would appear that those days are done and things will have to be done by the book.

Remember its a game guys.

[przemator]

I agree that its your responsibility as a mod to keep the forum in order.

I agree that there has been much negative talk recently.

I even agree I have been a major part of that negative talk .

I agree it's a game.

When I see things go the wrong way (in my opinion), I can either let it go and then frustrate myself in the long term (or even quit) or I can complain, shout, scream, beg, convince the hell out of people. Maybe I should just let go and hope the outcome won't be as miserable as I expect...?

In the meantime, I prepared Sauber sigs:

[King Rob]

I agree that its your responsibility as a mod to keep the forum in order.

I agree that there has been much negative talk recently.

I even agree I have been a major part of that negative talk .

I agree it's a game.

When I see things go the wrong way (in my opinion), I can either let it go and then frustrate myself in the long term (or even quit) or I can complain, shout, scream, beg, convince the hell out of people. Maybe I should just let go and hope the outcome won't be as miserable as I expect...?

In the meantime, I prepared Sauber sigs:

By all means voice your opinions Prze, thats what we are used to but just be nice to people...after all its nearly Christmas

Seriously though lets move on, let the voting end and get back to actually racing Then we can scream at each other for reasons that are track based and not spreadsheet based.

[peter-27]

Alrighty. I've made my decision for season 8. I'm going to be with sauber. I hope its cool that I'm your teamate Klemen.

Driver list updated

I've heard what Prz and Kos have to say about "1U" what do others think? Should it be in competition with other stewards and a standalone option? Would like to hear from people who don't stand to benefit from it.

As for the new season, we need a contingency plan incase 1.30 is not out yet. On the old version you can not select 16 or 33 laps (the distances for the first races) ... thoughts?

[Alfonso]

Well i would in some way benefit from it but...i can say what i think about it.
I agree with Prz and Kos that they are 2 different methods and cant be put in the same place. Even if i dont like the U1 rule. For me being active on the forum is not the only thing that counts, theres much more involved, the way how persons treat/speak to each other on the forum for example.

About the update not coming in time....for me i make on the "old" version the first race on Bahrain with 20 laps. Its the longest track so we would make only 1 race this weekend. No problem for me even if i really would like to start fresh with new version..but we cant put that pressure to Simon. It comes out when it comes.

[Sida79]

As "1U" is not likely to win any benefit of mine is theoretical. Besides, no one has tried to skew the rules to make the option stand out and Prz has justified his action as trying to prevent arguing before it's too late. Others cannot change the logic either, they can simply not vote for it or you could modify the sheet I guess

Currently over 50% of yes votes for "most active" option would overwrite the stewards voting, unless:
"Stewards" was listed as an option next to it and stewards voting was just an addon to that.

Also, you're doing "that crazy thing of yours thats tearing the forum apart" again Peter
You need to have a firm grasp on what is sensible that cannot be overshadowed by your weakness or desires.
You cannot just put "sensible" to vote like you do, as some do have a grasp on what it is and it will blow their minds

Imagine Peter, Kos, Marek and Prz walking through the woods in a NSGPOC8 fan club presidented by Marek.
One moment Prz says: lets' beat up Peter! ... and Kos looks at him with a strange glow in his eye.
To that president Marek replies: guys, you might or might not like Peter but we need to do the right thing or else we're worse than animals.
OR
President Marek could also appeal to "that crazy thing of yours thats tearing the forum apart" logic and say:
Let's put it up to vote!

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[przemator]

I\'ve heard what Prz and Kos have to say about \"1U\" what do others think? Should it be in competition with other stewards and a standalone option? Would like to hear from people who don\'t stand to benefit from it.

As for the new season, we need a contingency plan incase 1.30 is not out yet. On the old version you can not select 16 or 33 laps (the distances for the first races) ... thoughts?

One important argument is that if your interpretation prevails, then everybody willing to vote on \"Active drivers\" would be automatically excluded from voting on stewards. Otherwise, if they vote for both, they would be voting for and against \"active drivers\" in the same time.

As for the Saturday race, I\'m for racing using version 1.27. Bahrain 15 laps, Australia 30 laps.
If 1.30 goes out until friday evening (0:00 GMT), I\'m for racing on 1.30. In the morning I could host 1.27 server to inform all lost souls to install 1.30.