Car stats in next version

[siread]

I will be updating NSGP soon. What settings do people suggest I use for the car stats (handling, acceleration, top speed).

I think it is safe to put Brawn at the top of the pile but what about the rest?

[ecoraph]

My suggestions:

Braun Acceleration 5 Handling 5 Speed 5
Red Bull A4 H4 S5
Ferrari A5 H4 S4
McLaren A4 H2 S3
Renault A3 H3 S3
Toyota A3 H3 S4
Force India A2 H1 S1
Toro Roso A2 H2 S3
Williams A4 H4 S4
BMW Sauber A3 H2 S2

You could do with a reliability category too, affecting chances of breakdown in the race.

[robbyd]

I'll give it a go, i've been working with some stats for a few months now and they seem to be doing the trick. It's all about getting the gaps between the cars right, not neccessarily reflecting the stats accurately.

I'll list them below with my reason for doing so.

Can I also make a couple of requests for the next update:

-That the grid for Quick Races be set to reflect real life qualifying averages. I'm sick of seeing Adrian Sutil and Nelson Piquet on the Front row, whilst Jenson and Sebastian Vettel are way back, it ruins the results of the race. Even if it's the same grid every time I really would prefer it.

-that the car stats for quick race be identical to those in season. For some reason the cars seem to perform differently in a quick race compared to a season mode race.

Thanks Si.

Team Stats.

(Handling, Acceleration, Top Speed)

1) Brawn 5 4.5 5

All the F1 analyists not to mention the Brawn drivers have commented on how poised and precise the cars looks through the corners, and how manageable it is. The speed is necessary to reflect the competitiveness the Brawn has with KERS cars. The only weakness is off the line, where the anti-stall causes problems, so acceleration is restricted somewhat. Still though, this reflects the dominance of the car.

2) Red Bull Racing 4.5 4 5

It's true that the Red Bull lacks the pace of the Brawn, but not in true terms. The car over a straight line (along with the Toyota and indeed McLaren) can eat up the Brawn car by quite a way, but it's the speed through the corners that lets the team down and concequently sees them staring at the luminous backside of Ross Brawn's machine.

3) Toyota 4 5 4

Toyota again are a faster car than the Brawn over the straight line, but as with the Red Bull they never get a chance to show it because the handling of the car isn't up to the same standard. On paper both Red Bull and Toyota are pretty equal, but driver standard isn't quite up there, and that is reflected in the stats.

4) Ferrari 4 4 4

The Ferrari has come on leaps and bounds in the last few races, although it's difficult to really put one's finger on why. Undoubtedly the car is showing a quickening in pace, but i'd presume that the recent turn in form has more to do with the team collective getting a stern talking to over the early season gaffs. So it's a pretty non-comital 4 across the board.

5) Williams 3.5 4 4

Williams have a car that is not only capable of punching above it's conceived weight, but of winning races. The problem lies with the drivers themselves, although it is widely accepted that Nico Rosberg in particular has bags of talent at the wheel, it is normally driver error that costs the Williams team dearly, hence the handling stat.

6) Renault 3 4 3

It's difficult to say what exactly is going wrong for Renault, particularly in the Fernando Alonso camp (less difficult perhaps in the case of the quite obviously in-competent Nelson Piquet). Although they complain of a severe lack of downforce, even with the new diffuser developments it seems that the car isn't particularly quick either.

7) Mc Laren 2 2.5 5

It's very far from difficult to see the problem in the Mc Laren garage. No downforce, terrible handling and a general lack of punch means that it's been a season to forget so far for Lewis and Heiki. The car is undoubtedly very fast over a straight line distance, arguably the fastest on the grid, thats irrelevent if you can't keep the car on the road.

8) BMW Sauber 3 2 3

"This is our year" appears to have been nothing more than tempting fate for BMW, who find themselves languishing in the low point standings. Reliability remains a problem for a team that should be doing better. Difficult to really guage them stats wise, but these should be a fair reflection.

9) Torro Rosso 3 2 2

10) Force India 2 1 2

[ecoraph]

Can you also fix it so you dont have to re-register whenever you start a new game?

[siread]

Thanks guys. :)

[desiganp]

Hi Guys..

Any chance of a Knock-out style for qualy????

[robbyd]

Hi Guys..

Any chance of a Knock-out style for qualy????

This isn't the thread for dicussing this kind of thing.

[H3llR4iser]

Good analysis robbyd, I only feel there is less difference between Ferrari and McLaren than it looks; Monaco has never been a good testing ground as it stands apart from any other circuits, but if you look at the racing times, you'll discover that both Haikki and Lewis were not far off the pace putting in some quick laps as soon as they were not stuck behind traffic. That said however, I do agree it's difficult to judge and it's possible that we'll see a season where, apart from Brawn and Red Bull, the teams fighting for the top places will vary from track to track.
As for the raw stats, I would just do these modifications:

Ferrari 3.5 4 4
McLaren 3 3 5

What would also be nice is if some kind of a "modifier" for the driver could be included...watching Barrichello match Jenson's pace is not a problem, he hasn't been the luckiest on the grid thus far and probably is a bit less consistent than the brit, but in terms of raw speed he's a match for him just as he was for Schumacher; What is absolutely unbearable is watching Piquet beat the you-know-what out of Alonso.

[robbyd]

Good analysis robbyd, I only feel there is less difference between Ferrari and McLaren than it looks; Monaco has never been a good testing ground as it stands apart from any other circuits, but if you look at the racing times, you'll discover that both Haikki and Lewis were not far off the pace putting in some quick laps as soon as they were not stuck behind traffic. That said however, I do agree it's difficult to judge and it's possible that we'll see a season where, apart from Brawn and Red Bull, the teams fighting for the top places will vary from track to track.
As for the raw stats, I would just do these modifications:

Ferrari 3.5 4 4
McLaren 3 3 5

What would also be nice is if some kind of a "modifier" for the driver could be included...watching Barrichello match Jenson's pace is not a problem, he hasn't been the luckiest on the grid thus far and probably is a bit less consistent than the brit, but in terms of raw speed he's a match for him just as he was for Schumacher; What is absolutely unbearable is watching Piquet beat the you-know-what out of Alonso.

I'd perhaps agree with you ferrari changes, but not with McLaren. The fact that they have a 5 for speed balances out the handling 2 so that they behave true to life. Try it in game and you'll see.

Good though to have a healthy dialogue on this, it is after all rather important for the game.

Side note: as far as Driver AI goes, why not treat each driver as an individual team so to speak, so that each can be assigned stats independant of the team.

[H3llR4iser]

I'd perhaps agree with you ferrari changes, but not with McLaren. The fact that they have a 5 for speed balances out the handling 2 so that they behave true to life. Try it in game and you'll see.


This is a good point...I based my post on my own experience; I discovered I can bear with a car that has poor acceleration or top speed, but having less than 3 stars in the handling section condemns me to a low-grid season. However, in a season where I drove a Williams that was like 2 3 3 I still managed to scrape like 40 points, including two wins (wich would have been three, if I didn't run wide at Parabolica in the final lap...).
Hadn't tought about the AI driving wich changes things quite a bit, it's very unlikely such a car would win a race... and actually I don't see McLaren as likely to win anything this year.