Mod Idea - Grand Prix Legends

[bazik]

I think it would be cool to have a mix of all GP Legends on an imaginary Season, bring together legends that didn't even raced each other, and have the cars be the cars they got famous in. So we would have old F1 shaped cars mixed with relatively recent, that would be great i think. Maybe put some classic tracks that no longer exist on the F1 circuit.

Of course we have to cheat the cars specs, so the old cars didnt take a beating.. or would we? I know that old cars were very fast already.

What do you think?

[captinfranko]

Sounds like a cracking idea to me. I think seeing the likes of Hamilton and Schumacher against Senna, Prost, Fangio, Clark, Jackie Stewart, Rosberg .Snr, Mannsell etc would be awesome. Plus the fact that there would be the possibility of cars such as the John Players Lotus, Hill's 96 Williams and Schumachers late 90's ferraris would be brilliant, lest we forget of course, the six wheeled tyrell.

Cracking Idea.

[bazik]

Yeah, that was what i thought about.

It wont be hard to find 20 legendary drivers. BUT there is one problem, how to do the teams? I don't think its possible to have different car specs for all 20 pilots. I know that at least its possible to have different car shapes within one team!
And how would you team them?


by Team Makes? and put, lets say, Ferrari with Schumacher (00-04) and Niki Lauda (77) or Gilles Villeneuve (79).
or would you team them by Nationality? and put Ayrton Senna (91) and Nelson Piquet(83) or Emerson Fittipaldi (72) in Team Brazil?
or would you team them by year,decade or periods? This seams to be the better option for me, cause similar year cars would have similar specs, so you could have. 10 teams. being:

1950-1955
1956-1961
1962-1967
1968-1973
1974-1979
1980-1985
1986-1991
1992-1997
1998-2003
2004-2009

and for each of these periods peek 2 drivers. Or do you guys think that choosing them like that, would put some less legendary drivers during dominant periods where only 1 driver stood out, and hide legendary drivers from periods where there was more than 2 legendary drivers?
Just pick the 20 best and group them randomly

[captinfranko]

I think just twenty best and randomly would avoid the problem that your suggestion C0 throws up, namely that because you are doing period groupings you may miss some drivers altogether. It would be awesome to see this.

[bazik]

I think just twenty best and randomly would avoid the problem that your suggestion C0 throws up, namely that because you are doing period groupings you may miss some drivers altogether. It would be awesome to see this.

Lets do it then :) we pick the best 20, then we group them after the best 20 are selected we group them in the Style of C, by non fixed periods, 2 oldest, than the next 2 oldest.. etc..

Data its easy to find, maybe someone here can help with the graphics later on after we decided the drivers.

So lets choose drivers, we must pick a driver and only one year for that driver. For Instance, i'll start:
Ayrton Senna - 1991 - Mclaren

All sugestions are welcome, and open to discussion :)
So far the pilots are:


[LIST]
Alberto Ascari - 1952 - Ferrari
Juan Manuel Fangio - 1955 - Mercedes
Stirling Moss - 1958 - Vanwall
Jack Brabham - 1960 - Cooper
Graham Hill - 1962 - BRM
Jim Clark - 1963 - Lotus
Jackie Stewart - 1971 - Tyrrell
Emerson Fittipaldi - 1972 - Lotus
Niki Lauda - 1977 - Ferrari
Mario Andretti - 1978 - Lotus
Gilles Villeneuve - 1979 - Ferrari
Nelson Piquet - 1981 - Brabham
Alain Prost - 1986 - Mclaren
Ayrton Senna - 1991 - Mclaren
Nigel Mansell - 1992 - Williams
Damon Hill - 1996 - Williams
Mika Häkkinen- 1999 - Mclaren
Micheal Schumacher - 2003 - Ferrari
Fernando Alonso - 2006 - Renault

[Cookie Monster]

Schumacher - 2003 - Ferrari

[bazik]

i think i'll add the "easy" ones, the ones that i think everybody will agree:
the years however are not that easy, so any suggestions are welcome.

Juan Manuel Fangio - (1955 - Mercedes OR 1951 - Alfa Romeo)
Alain Prost - 1986 - Mclaren
Jack Brabham - 1960 - Cooper
Jackie Stewart - 1971 - Tyrrell
Niki Lauda - 1977 - Ferrari
Nelson Piquet - 1981 - Brabham
Graham Hill - (1968 - Lotus or 1962 BRM)
Jim Clark - 1963 - Lotus

10 drivers done, 10 to go...

[Rory426]

How about my childhood hero, Nigel Mansell, the most successful British driver of all time? :D

Some other ideas:

Stirling Moss
Alberto Ascari
Mika Hakkinen

[bazik]

How about my childhood hero, Nigel Mansell, the most successful British driver of all time? :D

Some other ideas:

Stirling Moss
Alberto Ascari
Mika Hakkinen

agreed! adding them 6 to go!

[Sida79]

Well, we can have only 10 teams, but can we have different designed cars between first and second driver? If that is the case you would have an easier choice as you could pick 10 teams that had the most legendary drivers over the years and just rearrange them any way you feel is best :)

[markohladnik]

That's their plan ;)

[bazik]

Well, we can have only 10 teams, but can we have different designed cars between first and second driver?

yes we can


If that is the case you would have an easier choice as you could pick 10 teams that had the most legendary drivers over the years and just rearrange them any way you feel is best :)

we are trying to figure the 20 greatest F1 drivers with no team restrictions, my ideia is to arrange them in periodic teams, like team 52-55 with both Ascari and Moss, but with 2 different cars, so that we can put teams that had only 1 good driver and teams that had more than 2, but nothing is fixed for now

[bazik]

contenders for the 6 seat left:



Gilles Villeneuve
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mario Andretti
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Lewis Hamilton
Damon Hill



i suggest 6 of this 7, but i want other people to suggest also

[Rory426]

Gilles Villeneuve
Emerson Fittipaldi
Mario Andretti
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Lewis Hamilton
Damon Hill



Of those, I'd say yes to those in bold for sure, not sure about the other three due to their lesser experience. Of the three I'm tempted to say Hamilton is tempting because although it's only a couple of seasons, he's always driven really well. Alonso had to battle his way from fighting at the back with Minardi to winning a championship, and deserves kudos for that. Raikkonen is a great driver, but nothing spectacular about his career IMO.

[Sida79]

Well, there was not much spectacular about Damon Hill's career either :)

[Rory426]

Well, there was not much spectacular about Damon Hill's career either :)

Won a world championship, would have won another if it wasn't for Schumacher crashing into him in the last race. Those were spectacular-ish.

[Sida79]

Won a world championship, would have won another if it wasn't for Schumacher crashing into him in the last race. Those were spectacular-ish.

1996 was boring as they go, back then I never imagined F1 would ever be as exciting (again) as it is today. The crashing incident was spectacular but he did not have much to do with it, it was Michael's "genius" that pulled it :D

[Rory426]

1996 was boring as they go, back then I never imagined F1 would ever be as exciting (again) as it is today. The crashing incident was spectacular but he did not have much to do with it, it was Michael's "genius" that pulled it :D

It was exciting for a Damon Hill fan ;)

Michael Schumacher was not a genius, more a bully. I really dislike him as a person.

[Sida79]

Heh, Hill seems like a really nice guy though.
I'd say Schumacher's skills of being a manipulating ******* are what brought him all the success. He was the first one that realized that you can do so much more than just drive fast :)

[MarcoGazpacho]

I think he learned a little from Senna's dangerous and stupid method of winning the 1990 title- by slamming into Prost at 160mph in front of 24 other cars. It's the reason I can never see Senna or Schumacher at the peak of my top drivers list.

Hill would probably have made more of an impression in F1 if he'd started earlier than the age of 32!

[bazik]

It was exciting for a Damon Hill fan ;)
Michael Schumacher was not a genius, more a bully. I really dislike him as a person.
Yeah i liked Damon Hill too, he was the 1st i liked after Senna died, it went. Senna -> D. Hill -> Hakinnen -> then 5 boring years which made me lose interest in F1 for a long time, and now i'm back :D
Besides, Damon is the 10th driver in history with more GP wins! source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_Grand_Prix_winners)
PS: by boring i dont mean Schumacher isn't a great driver, indeed he is, and its not cause i didn't like his personality i say it was boring, it was boring because there was no challenge, Ferrari would get countless 1-2 finishes, and there was no real fight for the title.


Of those, I'd say yes to those in bold for sure, not sure about the other three due to their lesser experience. Of the three I'm tempted to say Hamilton is tempting because although it's only a couple of seasons, he's always driven really well. Alonso had to battle his way from fighting at the back with Minardi to winning a championship, and deserves kudos for that. Raikkonen is a great driver, but nothing spectacular about his career IMO.

Yeah i also prefer the classics, its somewhat difficult to see Hamilton and Kimi portrayed as legends, even Alonso.. but i think he deserves more than these 2.

But, Alonso i think he deserves, he is double champion, there are only 14 drivers with 2 or more champion titles, and 12, are on our list already, and Fittipaldi will be there too, so i think its fair that the 14 drivers with 2 or more titles to be in it... so i guess the real question is... who is the 20th?
i'll update the list till the 19th..

[bazik]

Top 19 List:


Alberto Ascari - 1952 - Ferrari
Juan Manuel Fangio - 1955 - Mercedes
Stirling Moss - 1958 - Vanwall
Jack Brabham - 1960 - Cooper
Graham Hill - 1962 - BRM
Jim Clark - 1963 - Lotus
Jackie Stewart - 1971 - Tyrrell
Emerson Fittipaldi - 1972 - Lotus
Niki Lauda - 1977 - Ferrari
Mario Andretti - 1978 - Lotus
Gilles Villeneuve - 1979 - Ferrari
Nelson Piquet - 1981 - Brabham
Alain Prost - 1986 - Mclaren
Ayrton Senna - 1991 - Mclaren
Nigel Mansell - 1992 - Williams
Damon Hill - 1996 - Williams
Mika Häkkinen- 1999 - Mclaren
Micheal Schumacher - 2003 - Ferrari
Fernando Alonso - 2006 - Renault

Now nominees for the 20th place are:


Kimi Räikkönen (57x podium)
Lewis Hamilton (22x podium, but 59.46% of podium)
David Coulthard (62x podium)
Rubens Barrichello (63x podium, most entries in F1 races ever with 273 and counting)
Riccardo Patrese (37x podium)
Jacques Villeneuve (23x podium)
Jacky Ickx (25x podium)
Carlos Reutemann (45x podium)
Gerhard Berger (48x podium)
Keke Rosberg (17x podium)
Ronnie Peterson (26x podium)
Phil Hill (16x podium)


ok enough lol.. we had material for a 2nd division with 20 more :P

[Mr Bismarck]

Ronnie Peterson should get a look in, as should Phil Hill. Phil probably splits the other two Hills and I'd have him in front of Damon without question.

Peterson was astoundingly quick and taken well before his time.

[bazik]

Ronnie Peterson should get a look in, as should Phil Hill. Phil probably splits the other two Hills and I'd have him in front of Damon without question.

Peterson was astoundingly quick and taken well before his time.

i'll add them too, and the other 19, appart from Damon Hill, any more sugestions? i'll open to discussion here!