Do England underahieve or are overated?

[Mad2Ad]

Do England underahieve or are overated?

This is your chance to voice your opinions

I read once that Pele rekons that England are easily the biggest underachieves in the world and personally i agree with him.

The squad that England have is just to good to get to the quarters finals of world cups and european champioships in my opinion it shold definatly be challenging in every competition they enter.

According to Jose Mourinho, England have the best group of central defenders in the world and i agree with him(Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Jamie Carragher, Sol Cambell and Leadly King =D> )
There all good enough to play in most sides.

Steven Gerrard & Frank Lampard SHOULD b the best combination in the world, but they cant play together any way near aswell as the do for there clubs. Kaka and Ronaldinhio are the best for me.

Then to top it all off we have Owen(probably the best poacher in the world at the momemt) and then wayne Ronney probably the best young player in the world.

Add these players together with other talented players like Ashley Cole(best left back in the world)

Then these players like Joe Cole(6 mIllion), Jermaine Defoe(12 Million) and Shaun (21 million pounds) Wright Phillips are struglling to get into the team.

This shows you Why Pele Belives this.

[JJU]

Good topic :D

I agree with Pele's point of view. With the quality of players England have at their disposal, they should have done better in recent years.

The problem sometimes seems to be like some sort of invisible barrier that the players come up against when playing bigger teams (France and Brazil matches spring to mind...).

Or they lose the plot in 'meaningless' friendlies #-o

[Allan]

certainly under achive, i mean they got a good team but they play as if they were the national team of congo ( no offense)

[Mad2Ad]

Good topic :D

I agree with Pele's point of view. With the quality of players England have at their disposal, they should have done better in recent years.

The problem sometimes seems to be like some sort of invisible barrier that the players come up against when playing bigger teams (France and Brazil matches spring to mind...).

Or they lose the plot in 'meaningless' friendlies #-o

yes i agree with you i mean we always go ahead 1-0 and sit back afterwards #-o
examples
Brazil World Cup2002
England take the lead 1-0
Result 2-1 to Brazil

France European Championships2004
England Tke the lead 1-0
Result 2-1 France

Portugal European Championship2004
England Take the lead 1-0
Result 2-2 *
*Portugal win on penalties(h8 Penos win england are playing)

See my point
no defence in the world can take the pressure that erikkson puts on ours

Also one way to beat england is to keep the ball which usally stops us from playing(this works against most english clubs too #-o )
To solve this we should try to speed up the match to the pace of the premiersip(no team would be able to cope)
if we did this then i would not be afraid of any team even Brazil.


We know Erikkson wont play these players in the world cup so why dont we just stick with the players that he will play and when we do give a player a chance we give him about 5 games ( thinking of andy jonhso beeing played right win #-o and downing not even gettin a chance)

In my opinion Erikkson is our problem he has no passion and then when we have frendlies we swap all are players at half time.

[Wednesdaylad43]

See my point

Not at all, sorry


no defence in the world can take the pressure that erikkson puts on ours

Replace the word "Erikkson" with the words "The English Media", and yes, thats a valid point.


Also one way to beat england is to keep the ball which usally stops us from playing(this works against most english clubs too)

Call me a little stupid for pointing this one out, but I cant remember a goal scored in the history of football where the attacking team hasnt had the ball in the build up to the goal. You stop any team from playing by denying them possesion of the ball, not just England.



We know Erikkson wont play these players in the world cup so why dont we just stick with the players that he will play and when we do give a player a chance we give him about 5 games ( thinking of andy jonhso beeing played right wing and downing not even gettin a chance)

And what about if someone gets injured? Look at the problems we had when Beckham was injured with his foot, and Rooney with his foot? Perhaps a lack of strength in depth is where to point the finger, not at Sven


In my opinion Erikkson is our problem he has no passion and then when we have frendlies we swap all are players at half time.

I would say Sven is probably one of the best things to happen to the national squad in the last 10 years. He is tactically sound, he is mentally equiped for the job, and his competitive record is amongst the best in the world right now. You may say the grass is always greener on the other side, but it isnt. If not Sven, who? You wont find any better manager than Sven who is willing to take the England job and cope with the English media.

I think that if you are all so desperate to point the finger at under achivers, go look at the Spanish side. There are a number of good teams out there who have done a lot worse than England in recent years. England have lost 3 competitive games I think in all the time Sven has been in charge. How we soon forget the 5-1 win over Germany, or when we beat the Argies. It easier to remember the few bad times than the many good ones.

[Mad2Ad]

See my point

Not at all, sorry


no defence in the world can take the pressure that erikkson puts on ours

Replace the word "Erikkson" with the words "The English Media", and yes, thats a valid point.

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no i wont replace the word erikkson coz thats my point
when we score we just sit back(no one else does anything like what we do)he should get the players to carry on attacking not counter attack (to be honest we dont even do this)



Also one way to beat england is to keep the ball which usally stops us from playing(this works against most english clubs too)

Call me a little stupid for pointing this one out, but I cant remember a goal scored in the history of football where the attacking team hasnt had the ball in the build up to the goal. You stop any team from playing by denying them possesion of the ball, not just England.[/quote]

yeah it does but it works alot better against england cause of the way we play in the premiership were even if one team is dominating the other team still gets alot of the ball, weras in la liga you have to cope without the ball for long periods of time and then score with what little of the ball you have.



We know Erikkson wont play these players in the world cup so why dont we just stick with the players that he will play and when we do give a player a chance we give him about 5 games ( thinking of andy jonhso beeing played right wing and downing not even gettin a chance)

[/quote]And what about if someone gets injured? Look at the problems we had when Beckham was injured with his foot, and Rooney with his foot? Perhaps a lack of strength in depth is where to point the finger, not at Sven[/quote]

we have strenght and depth (shaun wright phillips 21 million, jermaine defoe 12million)


In my opinion Erikkson is our problem he has no passion and then when we have frendlies we swap all are players at half time.

[/quote]I would say Sven is probably one of the best things to happen to the national squad in the last 10 years. He is tactically sound, he is mentally equiped for the job, and his competitive record is amongst the best in the world right now. You may say the grass is always greener on the other side, but it isnt. If not Sven, who? You wont find any better manager than Sven who is willing to take the England job and cope with the English media.[/quote]

He definatly aint tactitcaly sound as i have said before when score we backoff afterwards he dont even play our style of football.

[/quote]I think that if you are all so desperate to point the finger at under achivers, go look at the Spanish side. There are a number of good teams out there who have done a lot worse than England in recent years. England have lost 3 competitive games I think in all the time Sven has been in charge. How we soon forget the 5-1 win over Germany, or when we beat the Argies. It easier to remember the few bad times than the many good ones.[/quote]

im not saying hes really bad cause he aint we just need to move on to another manager now. because we dont even look like we will win cups.

[Wednesdaylad43]

I'm more than willing to say that we stand even less chance of winning cups without sven. There are no viable options out there who will give us a better chance in Germany, not one.

And SWP and Defoe, thats not really strength in depth in my opinion. Say Rooney gets injured, then Defoe is first choice, and then who is sat on the bench where Defoe was? Beattie? Kevin Phillips? Andy Johnson? He isnt even playing against the best players in this country, let alone internationally. Emile Heskey =D>

We have so much strength in depth we cant even find a player to play down one side of our midfield.

[Mad2Ad]

I'm more than willing to say that we stand even less chance of winning cups without sven. There are no viable options out there who will give us a better chance in Germany, not one.

And SWP and Defoe, thats not really strength in depth in my opinion. Say Rooney gets injured, then Defoe is first choice, and then who is sat on the bench where Defoe was? Beattie? Kevin Phillips? Andy Johnson? He isnt even playing against the best players in this country, let alone internationally. Emile Heskey =D>

We have so much strength in depth we cant even find a player to play down one side of our midfield.

we aint the only team with this problem are you saying that brazil have strength and depth in defence(i dont think so) same with france and portugal every team has weak spots englands is left mid

[JJU]

Don't forget goal... though I think you could say that if Erikson just stuck with Robinson and forgot James, this wouldn't be a problem!

I think the media overhype the England team too, and not as much as the team itself underachieves. Nearly 40 years since a tournament win, I think we're due one now :?

[Mad2Ad]

Don't forget goal... though I think you could say that if Erikson just stuck with Robinson and forgot James, this wouldn't be a problem!

I think the media overhype the England team too, and not as much as the team itself underachieves. Nearly 40 years since a tournament win, I think we're due one now :?

I cannot stand david James i think that there are a hundred better english keepers then him.

The english press do overhype us way to much

[Wednesdaylad43]

But he has to give James a game to keep looking at him, we have seen the worst of him, but If Sven thought that he wasn't the second best English goalkeeper, he wouldn't pick him. Sven is no mug, he knows a poor player when he sees one

--cough--Robbie Fowler--cough--

Again, what happens if in the last friendly before the world cup, Robinson breaks a leg? You need a keeper who has been playing some international football, not just watching it on TV.

Don't get me wrong, I think James is poor as a goalkeeper, I'm one myself. A goalkeeper that is, not poor :wink: I just think it is a little late to start bedding in a different second choice goalkeeper into international football so close to the world cup.

Everyone seems quick to forget the game he had against Turkey either last season, or the one before. That was a brilliant game, and he kept us in the match. The full length save he made against Emre to the top right corner was world class. Few slip ups recently, but he does have the class. Its just hiding :lol:

--Edit--

Speaking of which, with all your Sven slandering Ad's, you sound like Robbie Fowler. IS Mad2Ad secretly Robbie Fowler!?! :shock:

[Mad2Ad]

But he has to give James a game to keep looking at him, we have seen the worst of him, but If Sven thought that he wasn't the second best English goalkeeper, he wouldn't pick him. Sven is no mug, he knows a poor player when he sees one

--cough--Robbie Fowler--cough--

Again, what happens if in the last friendly before the world cup, Robinson breaks a leg? You need a keeper who has been playing some international football, not just watching it on TV.

Don't get me wrong, I think James is poor as a goalkeeper, I'm one myself. A goalkeeper that is, not poor :wink: I just think it is a little late to start bedding in a different second choice goalkeeper into international football so close to the world cup.

Everyone seems quick to forget the game he had against Turkey either last season, or the one before. That was a brilliant game, and he kept us in the match. The full length save he made against Emre to the top right corner was world class. Few slip ups recently, but he does have the class. Its just hiding :lol:

--Edit--

Speaking of which, with all your Sven slandering Ad's, you sound like Robbie Fowler. IS Mad2Ad secretly Robbie Fowler!?! :shock:


who was the keeper through euro2004 all the time and he played alot before that.

we have gave him the chance thats wat im saying why not give rob green a chance or scott carson or kris kirkland

[Mad2Ad]

[quote=Wednesdaylad43]

--Edit--

Speaking of which, with all your Sven slandering Ad's, you sound like Robbie Fowler. IS Mad2Ad secretly Robbie Fowler!?! :shock: :lol:
i tell you wat i wish i was robbie fowler with all his money :lol:

[Mad2Ad]

Everyone seems quick to forget the game he had against Turkey either last season, or the one before. That was a brilliant game, and he kept us in the match. The full length save he made against Emre to the top right corner was world class. Few slip ups recently, but he does have the class. Its just hiding :lol:



thats the thing tho we cant afford any slip ups during international matches when was the last time robinson made a mistake

[Wednesdaylad43]

--Edit--

Speaking of which, with all your Sven slandering Ad's, you sound like Robbie Fowler. IS Mad2Ad secretly Robbie Fowler!?! :shock: :lol:
i tell you wat i wish i was robbie fowler with all his money :lol:

And his cocaine addiction, and his career that is going down faster than an essex bird :o

[JJU]

and moving swiftly on...

[Wednesdaylad43]

Very diplomatic Nick 8)

[Mad2Ad]

i started this topic 2 talk about england now were talking about cocaine addictions :lol:

[Wednesdaylad43]

Thats how forums are, its always very hard to stay on topic. Running off at tangents is all the fun :D

Back on topic then :wink:

No David James in the England squad.....

[Mad2Ad]

Thats how forums are, its always very hard to stay on topic. Running off at tangents is all the fun :D

Back on topic then :wink:

No David James in the England squad.....

yeh im happy with that think that rob green and kris kirkland

[Wednesdaylad43]

Yeah, I'd say the 3 keepers he has picked are probably the best 3 English keepers right now, and he needs to get them all involved with the squad as soon as he can for the world cup.

[Mad2Ad]

Yeah, I'd say the 3 keepers he has picked are probably the best 3 English keepers right now, and he needs to get them all involved with the squad as soon as he can for the world cup.

give them like five matches in a row and then he can decide who he wants to play in goal for england

[DS]

I think they are highly overrated. When i think of the most overrated players in the world alot of english players come to mind.

Beckham, Owen, Carragher are all highly overrated. All the keepers are overrated. And most of the other players are overrated. The only real talented players are Terry and Lampard and maybe SWP.

[Mad2Ad]

I think they are highly overrated. When i think of the most overrated players in the world alot of english players come to mind.

Beckham, Owen, Carragher are all highly overrated. All the keepers are overrated. And most of the other players are overrated. The only real talented players are Terry and Lampard and maybe SWP.

Have to agree with you on beckham
however he has won about five premier league titles bout2 fa cups a league cup the champions league.
i dont care what any one says you have to be pritty good to do that.

Dont understand why carragher is overated if you watched the champ league final last year then you would not be saying that.
Probably second best defender in the premiership and i think terry has an easier job then carragher.

Owen scores at least 15 or more goals a season and i bet he will go on to becomes englands top goalscorer so he defo aint overated.

Is ashley cole overated NO
the best three left backs in the world i would say are Heinze, Cole and del Horno and i would want cole out of these three. Rio ferdinand is probably one of the best centre backs in the world only ones that challenge him are nesta cannarvaro and terry.

gerrard in my opinion the best midfieldr in the world recently voted most valuable player in the champs league last season.

Ronney who is easliy the best young player in the world noone else even comes close.

Yes there are overated players in englands team like gary neville david beckham and defonatly david james.

Think that rob green and paul robinson are gr8 keepers if you watch pual robinson in the premiership you will know how good he is(saves in opening day matche against middlesboro were brill =D> )

There are overated players in every team spains raul or italys totti or frances trezugeut(dunno how to spell lol)

Im not saying these players are rubbish just overated

for me zidane is overated
thought he was brill but when i watch him now he is older i think that he is overated

like agaisnt england in euro 2004 he wasd pretty poor scored the 2 goals that beat us but other then that he didn't ought special like rooney or leadly king for that matter

What makes you think england are overated casuse they lost to australia in a friendly(means nothing england are terrible in friendlies. and we have only been beaten in competitive matches three times against france protugal and brazil since 2001 which i think it is an achivement.

Sorry to add this but england are gunna win the ashes :lol: =D> =D> :P :P

[DS]

I think they are highly overrated. When i think of the most overrated players in the world alot of english players come to mind.

Beckham, Owen, Carragher are all highly overrated. All the keepers are overrated. And most of the other players are overrated. The only real talented players are Terry and Lampard and maybe SWP.

Have to agree with you on beckham
however he has won about five premier league titles bout2 fa cups a league cup the champions league.
i dont care what any one says you have to be pritty good to do that.

Dont understand why carragher is overated if you watched the champ league final last year then you would not be saying that.
Probably second best defender in the premiership and i think terry has an easier job then carragher.

Owen scores at least 15 or more goals a season and i bet he will go on to becomes englands top goalscorer so he defo aint overated.

Is ashley cole overated NO
the best three left backs in the world i would say are Heinze, Cole and del Horno and i would want cole out of these three. Rio ferdinand is probably one of the best centre backs in the world only ones that challenge him are nesta cannarvaro and terry.

gerrard in my opinion the best midfieldr in the world recently voted most valuable player in the champs league last season.

Ronney who is easliy the best young player in the world noone else even comes close.

Yes there are overated players in englands team like gary neville david beckham and defonatly david james.

Think that rob green and paul robinson are gr8 keepers if you watch pual robinson in the premiership you will know how good he is(saves in opening day matche against middlesboro were brill =D> )

There are overated players in every team spains raul or italys totti or frances trezugeut(dunno how to spell lol)

Im not saying these players are rubbish just overated

for me zidane is overated
thought he was brill but when i watch him now he is older i think that he is overated

like agaisnt england in euro 2004 he wasd pretty poor scored the 2 goals that beat us but other then that he didn't ought special like rooney or leadly king for that matter

What makes you think england are overated casuse they lost to australia in a friendly(means nothing england are terrible in friendlies. and we have only been beaten in competitive matches three times against france protugal and brazil since 2001 which i think it is an achivement.

Sorry to add this but england are gunna win the ashes :lol: =D> =D> :P :P

Beckham is very overrated. All he does is miss penalties and miss every chance on goal he has. Then once in a wile he scores a free kick and all of a sudden he is the best in the world.

Carrager is overrated. He is not at international level. He dosnt even deserve to be in the premier league. I did watch the champions league final and that dosnt affect my judgment of him at all. One good game dosnt make him a superstar.

Owen is a good player but he is overrated. He is rated as a superstar when he isnt. The goals he scores are all very simple goals.

Ashley Cole is overrated. He isnt in the top 3 left backs in the world infact i wouldnt put him in the top 5.

Gerrard is a good player, he isnt overrated.

Rooney is also a good player butthere are other young players out there who are very close to him interms of skill.

David James never deserved to play at international level or even in the Premier league. There are goal keepers in the league championship who are way better then him.

Robinson is a good goaly, i have watched him since he was at Leeds. He is the only goal keeper England has. The rest are hopeless.

As for Zidane he has been the best player over the last decade and he still is one of the best. To say he is overrated is like saying Roy Carrol is the worlds best goalkeeper. Its not true and it never will be true.

And finally as for the Ashes Australia will win. Warny will bowl them out and if McGrath comes back he will take a few wickets aswell :wink: =D> :P =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :wink:

[Mad2Ad]

I think they are highly overrated. When i think of the most overrated players in the world alot of english players come to mind.

Beckham, Owen, Carragher are all highly overrated. All the keepers are overrated. And most of the other players are overrated. The only real talented players are Terry and Lampard and maybe SWP.

Have to agree with you on beckham
however he has won about five premier league titles bout2 fa cups a league cup the champions league.
i dont care what any one says you have to be pritty good to do that.

Dont understand why carragher is overated if you watched the champ league final last year then you would not be saying that.
Probably second best defender in the premiership and i think terry has an easier job then carragher.

Owen scores at least 15 or more goals a season and i bet he will go on to becomes englands top goalscorer so he defo aint overated.

Is ashley cole overated NO
the best three left backs in the world i would say are Heinze, Cole and del Horno and i would want cole out of these three. Rio ferdinand is probably one of the best centre backs in the world only ones that challenge him are nesta cannarvaro and terry.

gerrard in my opinion the best midfieldr in the world recently voted most valuable player in the champs league last season.

Ronney who is easliy the best young player in the world noone else even comes close.

Yes there are overated players in englands team like gary neville david beckham and defonatly david james.

Think that rob green and paul robinson are gr8 keepers if you watch pual robinson in the premiership you will know how good he is(saves in opening day matche against middlesboro were brill =D> )

There are overated players in every team spains raul or italys totti or frances trezugeut(dunno how to spell lol)

Im not saying these players are rubbish just overated

for me zidane is overated
thought he was brill but when i watch him now he is older i think that he is overated

like agaisnt england in euro 2004 he wasd pretty poor scored the 2 goals that beat us but other then that he didn't ought special like rooney or leadly king for that matter

What makes you think england are overated casuse they lost to australia in a friendly(means nothing england are terrible in friendlies. and we have only been beaten in competitive matches three times against france protugal and brazil since 2001 which i think it is an achivement.

Sorry to add this but england are gunna win the ashes :lol: =D> =D> :P :P

Beckham is very overrated. All he does is miss penalties and miss every chance on goal he has. Then once in a wile he scores a free kick and all of a sudden he is the best in the world.

Carrager is overrated. He is not at international level. He dosnt even deserve to be in the premier league. I did watch the champions league final and that dosnt affect my judgment of him at all. One good game dosnt make him a superstar.

Owen is a good player but he is overrated. He is rated as a superstar when he isnt. The goals he scores are all very simple goals.

Ashley Cole is overrated. He isnt in the top 3 left backs in the world infact i wouldnt put him in the top 5.

Gerrard is a good player, he isnt overrated.

Rooney is also a good player butthere are other young players out there who are very close to him interms of skill.

David James never deserved to play at international level or even in the Premier league. There are goal keepers in the league championship who are way better then him.

Robinson is a good goaly, i have watched him since he was at Leeds. He is the only goal keeper England has. The rest are hopeless.

As for Zidane he has been the best player over the last decade and he still is one of the best. To say he is overrated is like saying Roy Carrol is the worlds best goalkeeper. Its not true and it never will be true.

And finally as for the Ashes Australia will win. Warny will bowl them out and if McGrath comes back he will take a few wickets aswell :wink: =D> :P =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :wink:

Carrgher aint overated hye played brill every match last year and i think if you watched the premiership you would realise that.
He would be the second best player in europe only behind terry on form so he aint overated no matter what you say to have to good season like he has had then he aint overated.

Owens goals are simple :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why dont you go and copy owens goal against argentina you would never do in a million years :lol: :lol:
or for that matter his hattrick against germany or the goal against albania a week later or the on from out of the box against finland on the volley.
You wouldn't be bal to do any of them.
Youve got to realise that football is about scoring not about how good the goals were.
As a attacker you have to get into the postions not just score.
Your makin out that if a player takes on the whole team then shots from 25 yards out and hits the cross bar all the time then he would be better then owen.
Ive allway sbeen talk that what talks in footabll is goals dunt matter how they come so long as you get them
every goal is as good as the next one.
You dont get more goals for a brilliant goal do so that proves that every goal are as good as the next cause they only add one next to the team.

Hes Englands alltime scoring record have a look at whos forth.

Most Goals

49 Sir Bobby Charlton (Manchester United)
48 Gary Lineker (Leicester City, Everton, Barcelona, Tottenham Hotspur)
44 Jimmy Greaves (Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur)
32 Michael Owen (Liverpool, Real Madrid, Newcastle)
30 Sir Tom Finney (Preston North End)
30 Nat Lofthouse (Bolton Wanderers)
30 Alan Shearer (Southampton, Blackburn Rovers, Newcastle United)
29 Vivian Woodward (Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea)
28 Steve Bloomer (Derby County, Middlesbrough)
27 David Platt (Arsenal, Sampdoria, Juventus, Bari, Aston Villa)
26 Bryan Robson (West Bromwich Albion, Manchester United)
24 Sir Geoff Hurst (West Ham United)
23 Stanley Mortensen (Blackpool)
22 Tommy Lawton (Everton, Chelsea, Notts County)
21 Mick Channon (Southampton, Manchester City)
21 Kevin Keegan (Liverpool, SV Hamburg, Southampton)
20 Martin Peters (West Ham United, Tottenham Hotspur)

Hes ahed of playes like Sir Tom Finney Kevin Keegan, Geoff Hurst whos the only player ever to score a hattrick in a world cup final so how is he overated and i bet you whatever you like he will be an top of that list at the end of his career

Name left backs better then him then
carlos
no cause he aint even a defender just playes there cant defend to save hes lifewhat five left backs would beat him he is like carlos but he can defend aswell

Football is not just about skill.

Do you know what the best skill in the world is
Passing
NOT dribbling or scoring brilliant goals
or tackling
not all flicks and step overs

With zidane i will talk to you in a way you will understand cause football you dont seem able to
Is Shane Warne as good as when he bowled balls like the one to mike gatterin
the answer no
thats waht i mean with zidane he was easliy the best in the worl but about three seasons ago i probably watched about 30 real games with zidane in and he did some good things but nothing special you could tell what his age was but he stil got player of the year only because of his reputation.

he probably has been the best player for a very long time just saying recently hes dropped of from what he once had

Sorry for how long this post is

[Wednesdaylad43]

I wouldnt agree with either of you on most of this :lol: You may as well all get something to eat now, I can this one going on a bit......

David James has had good games at international level, and he has had bad games. To be picked for England currently is perhaps not a good idea based on other talented goalkeepers that we have. However, to say he shouldn't be playing Premiership football is simply ludicrus. He is a good goalkeeper, he has made a few mistakes but dont dwell on them so they are the only thing you have in your mind about him. I even seem to remember Australians own Mark Schwartzer dropping one under his body the first week of the premiership season :oops: It happens as a goalkeeper, to everyone. As a shot stopping keeper, I rate Schwartzer. And as for goalkeepers in the Championship that are better, I can't think of many. The only one who does spring to mind straight away is Micael Oakes from Wolves, who to my knowledge has England B caps anyway.

Ashely Cole is a talented full back, I cant think of many off the top of my head who I would rather have in a team. Personally I'd pick him over Carlos, as I think he adds more to your team and would make you stronger at the back, but I still rate Carlos. Say what you want, Real arent a set of Idiots, they know what they're doing (most the time) and thats why Carlos is where he is. How many times has he won the world cup? And if you can think of 5 better left backs in the world right now, name them, and we can chat from there.

Carragher has come into form this last season. Too many people are eager to heap praise for an individual game, or a season, like the admittance that Chelsea are one of the best teams ever because they won the premiership last season. Sustained form and impressive performances in big games are what earns the that sort of tag, and for me Carragher needs to prove to the world he can do it season after season like other liverpool centre halves have in the past. Would you pick Carragher over Rio and Terry? I think he also had a poor game for Liverpool in the super cup. No one is perfect, no matter how much you hype them up.

Rio and Terry are good, strong quick defenders. They are both very good, but other teams that are appearing in the world cup who have defenders who are just as strong. Thats the way world football is at the moment, so i wouldnt say anyone is over-hyping them, just forgetting how good the competition is.

Gerrard, I personally believe the media are bigging up. Liverpool had a record that was as good as, in fact slightly better when he wasnt playing last season as when he was on the pitch. He is a very good player, and is well worthy of his place in the england team, but I do not go along with the way the media make him sound like some superhuman player. If a player scores a game winning goal in the last minute, thats great. Gerrard did it against Olympiakos last season in the champions league, and Andy Gray nearly exloded about the superhuman effort of "Stevie Gerrard". Good player, but don't believe everything you read.

Lampard is the same as Carragher, he led Chelsea to an impressive premiership crown last season, but he needs to show it over time to justify how good he really is.

Beckham is a great player. No one can doubt it. I dont care what you say, his record speaks for itself, and his ability to win games and enhance the perforances of others cannot be overlooked, take the last qualifying game against greece. The one gripe I have about Beckham, I do have a few actually :) The main one is that he leaves a team looking very one dimensional from set pieces. England get a corner, who could take this. David. Freekick, David. Freekick perfect for a left footer. David. There is no element of suprise, no element of variation. another gripe is that he is playing his club football in the middle of the pitch, and is playing right wing for England.

When playing 4-4-2, your advantages are that you have width as opposed to bodies in the middle of the park. Beckham eliminates this width by drifting in field like he does for Real. He should stay wide and knock balls into the box, which he is the best in the world at. There is no better crosser of the ball than him, without question. Then we have the problem that sven picks to midgets up front, but thats a different conversation :)

Rooney, Awsome talent. Needs to prove his is the best in the world for the next 15 years. Gazza was as promising and mind blowing as Rooney when he burst onto the scene, how his career nose dived towards the middle and back end.

Owen, I agree, a goal is a goal, doesnt matter where you score them from. You have to have the mental ability to read a game and make sure you are where the ball is going to end up for you to poke balls into the net. Lineker was an awsome poacher, but no one would ever call him a lucky or poor striker. You have to take your oppotunities, and the way Owen can put a ball past a keeper, I dont think you can say he is over-rated. Everyone still forgets how old he is, and the fact he could well be playing for England for anothr 10 years. See how many goals he has by then, and see if he is still over rated. I dont think he will be. It worries me greatly though that he has gone to the Newcastle United Comedy Club, with coco the clown Souness. They could go down this season, they look less than average, and Owen's career and international performances could suffer.

So yeah, there, stop getting on everyones back about over and under rated player. Its because of conversations like this between fans and in the media the problem occurs anyway. didnt stop me from posting though :D

[Mad2Ad]

I wouldnt agree with either of you on most of this :lol: You may as well all get something to eat now, I can this one going on a bit......

David James has had good games at international level, and he has had bad games. To be picked for England currently is perhaps not a good idea based on other talented goalkeepers that we have. However, to say he shouldn't be playing Premiership football is simply ludicrus. He is a good goalkeeper, he has made a few mistakes but dont dwell on them so they are the only thing you have in your mind about him. I even seem to remember Australians own Mark Schwartzer dropping one under his body the first week of the premiership season :oops: It happens as a goalkeeper, to everyone. As a shot stopping keeper, I rate Schwartzer. And as for goalkeepers in the Championship that are better, I can't think of many. The only one who does spring to mind straight away is Micael Oakes from Wolves, who to my knowledge has England B caps anyway.

Ashely Cole is a talented full back, I cant think of many off the top of my head who I would rather have in a team. Personally I'd pick him over Carlos, as I think he adds more to your team and would make you stronger at the back, but I still rate Carlos. Say what you want, Real arent a set of Idiots, they know what they're doing (most the time) and thats why Carlos is where he is. How many times has he won the world cup? And if you can think of 5 better left backs in the world right now, name them, and we can chat from there.

Carragher has come into form this last season. Too many people are eager to heap praise for an individual game, or a season, like the admittance that Chelsea are one of the best teams ever because they won the premiership last season. Sustained form and impressive performances in big games are what earns the that sort of tag, and for me Carragher needs to prove to the world he can do it season after season like other liverpool centre halves have in the past. Would you pick Carragher over Rio and Terry? I think he also had a poor game for Liverpool in the super cup. No one is perfect, no matter how much you hype them up.

Rio and Terry are good, strong quick defenders. They are both very good, but other teams that are appearing in the world cup who have defenders who are just as strong. Thats the way world football is at the moment, so i wouldnt say anyone is over-hyping them, just forgetting how good the competition is.

Gerrard, I personally believe the media are bigging up. Liverpool had a record that was as good as, in fact slightly better when he wasnt playing last season as when he was on the pitch. He is a very good player, and is well worthy of his place in the england team, but I do not go along with the way the media make him sound like some superhuman player. If a player scores a game winning goal in the last minute, thats great. Gerrard did it against Olympiakos last season in the champions league, and Andy Gray nearly exloded about the superhuman effort of "Stevie Gerrard". Good player, but don't believe everything you read.

Lampard is the same as Carragher, he led Chelsea to an impressive premiership crown last season, but he needs to show it over time to justify how good he really is.

Beckham is a great player. No one can doubt it. I dont care what you say, his record speaks for itself, and his ability to win games and enhance the perforances of others cannot be overlooked, take the last qualifying game against greece. The one gripe I have about Beckham, I do have a few actually :) The main one is that he leaves a team looking very one dimensional from set pieces. England get a corner, who could take this. David. Freekick, David. Freekick perfect for a left footer. David. There is no element of suprise, no element of variation. another gripe is that he is playing his club football in the middle of the pitch, and is playing right wing for England.

When playing 4-4-2, your advantages are that you have width as opposed to bodies in the middle of the park. Beckham eliminates this width by drifting in field like he does for Real. He should stay wide and knock balls into the box, which he is the best in the world at. There is no better crosser of the ball than him, without question. Then we have the problem that sven picks to midgets up front, but thats a different conversation :)

Rooney, Awsome talent. Needs to prove his is the best in the world for the next 15 years. Gazza was as promising and mind blowing as Rooney when he burst onto the scene, how his career nose dived towards the middle and back end.

Owen, I agree, a goal is a goal, doesnt matter where you score them from. You have to have the mental ability to read a game and make sure you are where the ball is going to end up for you to poke balls into the net. Lineker was an awsome poacher, but no one would ever call him a lucky or poor striker. You have to take your oppotunities, and the way Owen can put a ball past a keeper, I dont think you can say he is over-rated. Everyone still forgets how old he is, and the fact he could well be playing for England for anothr 10 years. See how many goals he has by then, and see if he is still over rated. I dont think he will be. It worries me greatly though that he has gone to the Newcastle United Comedy Club, with coco the clown Souness. They could go down this season, they look less than average, and Owen's career and international performances could suffer.

So yeah, there, stop getting on everyones back about over and under rated player. Its because of conversations like this between fans and in the media the problem occurs anyway. didnt stop me from posting though :D

I think if your a footballer you should be able to deal with pressure and i think that any one should be allowed to say what they want about players as this is a forum about opinions if you just backed players all the time i think that thered be no opinions.

I know why he has joined Newcastle
as hes gunna be worshipped there and at liverpool he wouldn't start all the time.

Cant understand how you can say that Gerrard aint that good

Hes easily the best ALLROUND midfielder in the world no other player can defend and attack like him

no other player inspires a club lik Gerrard
Liverpool look like they will never score in a million years without Gerrard, but when he plays you know he will do something special

I bet that most football fans would choose Gerrard instead of alot of players.

Even if liverpools record is better without him then thats look cause you can see a MASSIVE difference in liverpool when he plays

About Terry and Rio i would say only one team has as good or better which is italy

look at all the other teams no one has central defenders like england so dont no where you get this from
brazil
no
france
no
spain
no
germany
no
portugal
cezch rep
no

Yes maybe carragher will need to keep his form and i bet he will

in your opiniopn you pick carlos in mine cole

because he has so much more to offer as a player
Carlos isnt a poor player just think that cole has so much more then him

Real are idiots for signin woodgate when he was injured
and for replacing owen with baptista

The goalie in the championship is Rob Green

James cant catch a ball to save his life
even man city fans admit that

i can remeber a friendly in the walkers stadium england verces serbia an montenegro(dont care how to spell it)
and england conceded from a cross and james stayed on the lin and Comentator (man city fan. had it on fans for commentators on sky sports) and he said thats unlike james usally he comes flying out and waves to every1 in the crowd

[manyoolova]

I think they are highly overrated. When i think of the most overrated players in the world alot of english players come to mind.

Beckham, Owen, Carragher are all highly overrated. All the keepers are overrated. And most of the other players are overrated. The only real talented players are Terry and Lampard and maybe SWP.

Harry Kewell is over-rated. And so is Chris Kirkland, in my opinion.

[DS]

I think they are highly overrated. When i think of the most overrated players in the world alot of english players come to mind.

Beckham, Owen, Carragher are all highly overrated. All the keepers are overrated. And most of the other players are overrated. The only real talented players are Terry and Lampard and maybe SWP.

Harry Kewell is over-rated. And so is Chris Kirkland, in my opinion.

I have not ever heard anything as ridicules as that in my life. I think Harry Kewell is one of the most underrated players in the world. The reason you say he is overrated is because you havnt seen him play when he is fit. He has been injured for 2 seasons and if he was playing he would be the best in the world now. The dribbling and the passing and the shooting skills he posses are amazing. He also has alot of speed.

[JJU]

Yeah, us people living in England have never seen Harry Kewell play when fit :o

Anyway, I believe there is already a thread about Australian players somewhere, so back on topic again please everybody.

[Wednesdaylad43]

I would say that Kirkland and Kewall are about the same. They are both good players, Woodgate as well, but have been constantly injuured for a few years.

Clean bill of health and I'd take all 3 of them in the wednesday team :o

[Mad2Ad]

I would say that Kirkland and Kewall are about the same. They are both good players, Woodgate as well, but have been constantly injuured for a few years.

Clean bill of health and I'd take all 3 of them in the wednesday team :o


yeh i agree with you alltho i think that kewell will never be any way near wat he was like at leeds

i can see woodgate and kirkland beeing good if they dont get injured

[DS]

I would say that Kirkland and Kewall are about the same. They are both good players, Woodgate as well, but have been constantly injuured for a few years.

Clean bill of health and I'd take all 3 of them in the wednesday team :o


yeh i agree with you alltho i think that kewell will never be any way near wat he was like at leeds

i can see woodgate and kirkland beeing good if they dont get injured

You have to admit that if Kewell didnt get injured he would be one of the best player in the world at the moment.

[Mad2Ad]

I would say that Kirkland and Kewall are about the same. They are both good players, Woodgate as well, but have been constantly injuured for a few years.

Clean bill of health and I'd take all 3 of them in the wednesday team :o


yeh i agree with you alltho i think that kewell will never be any way near wat he was like at leeds

i can see woodgate and kirkland beeing good if they dont get injured

You have to admit that if Kewell didnt get injured he would be one of the best player in the world at the moment.

Well he would of had to improve alot as for a wide man he is to narrow(like beckham)

[Wednesdaylad43]

I wouldnt say one of the best in the world at all. I'd say he would be a good player, and he would be a useful guy to have in a Premiership team, but even when he was at Leeds, he never struck me as someone who was going to rock the footballing world

[JJU]

Okay then, carry on talking about Australian players here...