3D Stadia?

[scrumble]

I've seen mention in other threads that the in game stadium will be in 3d. What format will they be in, i.e what program would you need to make a stadium?

I've been playing around with sketchup:

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=6fbc86e9e6255d0c62b8ffb764e5a68a&prevstart=0

and wouldn't mind trying my hand at putting some into the game

[proevofanatik]

good idea but how about we put more detail into it. i made celtic park with rhino 3d studio. i know how to get hold of the others too. i mean full premiership stadiums. even coca cola championship ones too. let me know if you want them and that will be my contribution ;) .

basicly tell me what stadiums you need in game and ill supply them. any league any country and ill see what i can do. i can get all the big leagues stadiums.

[Fry Crayola]

I think the format required is .b3d - which is the format used by Blitz3D and I assume by extension MiniB3D which Si has said he's using.

I'm not sure which programs can output .b3d files, I've never fiddled with 3D in Blitz before. Regardless, Si should be able to convert from most major formats if the stadia are for the release version.

[proevofanatik]

cant we use 3ds max? i have loads of stadiums in that format. .max is probably the best format out

[Fry Crayola]

I think you can create it in 3D Studio Max, but the fact is that the engine Si's using doesn't natively support it so it will need converted later.

Edit: Actually, it may be possible to load in .3ds format files as well. I think Si or anyone else who's used Blitz3D extensively would be better placed to answer.

[proevofanatik]

.3ds would be good. ill be posting some pics of the stadiums soon. some of them are just amazing

[statto]

Si hasn't figured out stadiums in NSS4 yet. There's a possibility the game will have a hard time supporting detailed stadia.

[scrumble]

If we know what the restrictions are, I can't see it being a problem doing low poly models. In fact that would probably be better. Blundell Park was the first time I'd tried doing any 3d stuff, so the simpler the better :)

[statto]

I'm hoping we'll find out soon, but I don't want to put any pressure on Si towards finishing the game :) But stadiums are a big sticking point for me so hopefully the engine will be able to handle it.

[proevofanatik]

yep im hoping that it supports stadiums too. the more detail the better. but if we had to go down the google sketch up road then ill still be a very happy man. infact there might be a way to convert from 3ds to google sketch up. the graphics might not be as good. but you will beable to make out the stadiums. ill put a bit of research into it, to see if it can be done

[proevofanatik]

i managed to convert the reebok stadium to google sketch up
here it is here

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2796/boltonstadqf2.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7633/boltonstadob4.png (http://imageshack.us)

[proevofanatik]

here is the nou camp

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9232/noucampfr9.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5659/noucamptm2.png (http://imageshack.us)

[proevofanatik]

here is my favorite
celtic park

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6635/celticparkbn5.png (http://imageshack.us)

[proevofanatik]

i noticed that nando is a fc porto fan so here you go m8

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6757/portostadsh2.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Nando]

here is my favorite
celtic park

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6635/celticparkbn5.png (http://imageshack.us)

Nice.

How can you convert a stadium to 3D? Do you need a 2d Pic? (Yep, you guessed it, not the best using Sketch up, but you are only going to learn by asking)

EDIT: Love Dragão Stadium :)

[proevofanatik]

i take the stadiums from pro evolution soccer 6 then convert them. i hope that siread can do something with these stadiums. they would be great ingame

[Nando]

i take the stadiums from pro evolution soccer 6 then convert them. i hope that siread can do something with these stadiums. they would be great ingame

But wait... Dragão is not in PES...

Did you take them from fifa?

[proevofanatik]

no pes. in the pc version you can get a kitserver. in there you can put in edited kits, real faces, and also stadiums built from scratch with 3d imaging programs. i download the stadium files and convert them to sketch up.or what ever siread wants to use.

[Nando]

no pes. in the pc version you can get a kitserver. in there you can put in edited kits, real faces, and also stadiums built from scratch with 3d imaging programs. i download the stadium files and convert them to sketch up.or what ever siread wants to use.
Cool. Let me see if I can get the hand of this...

::::EDIT::::

What file do you import for Scketch up (how do you do it? Can you make a toturial?)

[proevofanatik]

it would be easier if people put in requests. and i could convert whatever one they want. i am willing to help out in making this game. and if the makers want stadiums then i will beable to supply them to him.

[Nando]

it would be easier if people put in requests. and i could convert whatever one they want. i am willing to help out in making this game. and if the makers want stadiums then i will beable to supply them to him.


Okay. But if you ever need any help just explain it to me and I will help out. ;)

[proevofanatik]

np m8 i will do. there are loads of stadiums to convert so if you are interested i will give you a shout when i get the go ahead from siread

[statto]

proevofanatik, those stadiums look fantastic! But again, I see two issues:
1) We don't know how well the 3D will be able to be displayed in NSS3 yet - these stadiums may, sadly, be too complex.
2) We're not going to release someone else's work in the game without their permission. Unless you created and converted all those stadiums, as opposed to just converting them, you'd have to settle for including them in a patch (though what a patch it would be! I would certainly download it.)

So cross your fingers...

[proevofanatik]

that waould be fine. at the end of the day these stadiums were taken by me from a pes6 patch. so if these stadiums are in a patch for nss4 then so be it. as long as they are in some how

sorry these stadiums are meant to be for nss4 i didnt know you were talking about nss3.

[Nando]

that waould be fine. at the end of the day these stadiums were taken by me from a pes6 patch. so if these stadiums are in a patch for nss4 then so be it. as long as they are in some how

I would love that. Imagine winning the league and getting the award presented in our own amazing stadium or in out 'dump' stadium.

[proevofanatik]

what about football kits? i make kits for pes6. would it be possible for me to help you make realistic kits for a patch? i.e real kits with sponsors on them. i can make them in photoshop.

[Nando]

what about football kits? i make kits for pes6. would it be possible for me to help you make realistic kits for a patch? i.e real kits with sponsors on them. i can make them in photoshop.

I think that is Si's wish. To create official team kits and to get them out in a 'unofficial' patch.

[proevofanatik]

i can make them no problem. i just need the software to make a patch for nss. and the software to edit files ingame

[Nando]

i can make them no problem. i just need the software to make a patch for nss. and the software to edit files ingame

You'll have toi wait until Si finishes the match engine.

[scrumble]

I only used sketchup as an example, and google sketchup is very limited in its save types, unless you buy the pro version which is a bit pricey. I know the pro version can export in .dwg as I've used it to move stuff into autocad.

Best to wait until we find out what Si needs first.

[proevofanatik]

i use the pro version and it wasnt very pricey at all ;)

[siread]

I'm afraid I don't have any specific details on the kits or stadium yet as I'm still working on the data side of the game. Maybe in 1 month I will start serious work on the 3D stuff and can develop the game so patching will be easy. :)

[proevofanatik]

cool m8 just let me know what 3d format u need and ill get u it. im more than happy to help out

also when you get the template file of the kits send it over and ill get to work on making the kits

[scrumble]

i use the pro version and it wasnt very pricey at all ;)

Hmm, yeah. Well I wouldn't know about that. <cough>

[statto]

Yep, I was talking about NSS4, sorry :)

Best to wait, I want NSS4 to come out as well so I can start editing for it too, but patience is best now.

[proevofanatik]

Si i have got loads of 3d models . ive even made one of a football player. if you need it give me a shout. looks very realistic. ill need to hunt for it though. its on one of my hard drives.

[statto]

I love the enthusiasm, but NSS4 is indeed a long ways off :)

[Nando]

Si, if you make personalized kits, get us a template like this one from FIFA2007:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2498/template5bn0.png
(Sorry proevofanatik, I am one two but this is the first image that I found...):P

The template should have one front view, one back view. Each contains one shirt, two sleves, shorts and two socks each in their desired view (front or back).

They can be used to create kits like
FC Porto's:http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/3940/portohomekitwr1.png
Arsenal's: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3752/home1vz4.png
Milan's: http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/441/adidas1copymp9.png
Barcelona's: http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8530/homecq7.png

These are just examples.

You can change them anyway you wish.

EDIT:

Maybe in the change kits feature there could be the kits already built or some small, mini kits.

Like the ones on Colours of Football:

e.g.
http://www.colours-of-football.com/colours03/eng/new/eng_avilla_1_0607.gif

Also, flags to put on the stadiums like these:

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=117087&d=1110712325

And create numerous like these:
Chelsea: file:///C:/DOCUME&#37;7E1/Alves/DEFINI%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-7.jpghttp://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5296/cfcflagsad2.png
Lyon: http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/592/ollyondrapzy7.png
Ajax: http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7977/ajaxvlagtd3.png
Valencia: http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5833/vcfbandsc4.png

[proevofanatik]

those look great m8. im more used to making kits for pes6. but if we get a 3d model of a player made up then we can make our own kit template. best waiting till we see what si comes up with 1st

here is the pes6 one

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6899/0achelseahomesparkjc7.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Nando]

I think also a ball template would be nice.

NSS4 will become very customizable and most people like to tweak some things that they don't like so much.

What do you think?

(Didn't find any ball templates)

EDIT:

There are loads of boot colours, maybe you could add a special template for each boot, if you use black shoes you get a plain ordinary boot, if you use a yellow you get the one Ronaldinho uses etc...

[proevofanatik]

all of what you said can be done in pes6. i can get ball models and textures too. hopefully

[Nando]

all of what you said can be done in pes6. i can get ball models and textures too. hopefully

Maybe Si could use them as a model to create the NSS4 own model.

Can you post some?

[proevofanatik]

honest m8. its best waiting to see what si has in mind 1st. if he gives the go ahead for the 3d models then ill get to work on it

[dadamafia]

I honestly would prefer if we did everything from scratch instead of taking stuff from other games. The jersey templates, stadiums and all are nice but it almost makes me feel like the game is gonna end up like some sort of fifa-pes hybrid deal. This is just my initial feeling but its nice to see the end product of a game which supposedly is being developed from scratch.

[xtrmntr]

Maybe something diffferent for the ball. Don't we need an agreement from the club to make an offical jersey?

[statto]

I think you have to have a license to put it in the game when you sell it, so yes.

[Nando]

Maybe something diffferent for the ball. Don't we need an agreement from the club to make an offical jersey?

but in a unofficial patch you don't :)

[proevofanatik]

yep thats right nando. every thing can be plain. then you can add what you like in the patch. thats what pro evo soccer does.

[Nando]

yep thats right nando. every thing can be plain. then you can add what you like in the patch. thats what pro evo soccer does.

I would customize NSS4 on the graphics part (except 3d) and who knows, someday we can see NSS near great names like PES, FIFA or TIS.

PS. Maybe NSS4 could have a movie intro like FIFA or PES. It is kinda like a trailer but better. What do you think?

[proevofanatik]

siread do u know roughly if you will beable to use .3ds for the stadiums? coz i can get to work on converting all the big teams stadiums.

[JJU]

Guys, I'm sure Si will visit stadiums in due course, but he's just not working on this aspect of the game yet. Patience is the key ;)

[proevofanatik]

but m8 if i know at least that then there will be more time to do them. i just dont want to be rushing around. if i get them ready then a patch will be ready alot quicker.

[JJU]

Yeah but if he doesn't know yet, he doesn't know. I know exactly what you're saying though :) Don't worry, I'm sure he'll appear soon enough to give you some feedback.

[statto]

There will be plenty of time to do them, don't worry. NSS4 isn't expected for a number of months yet. The game is still in its alpha phase, the match engine at this point in time is still in its infancy, and we're still not sure whether or not the game will be powerful to display large stadiums without crapping out completely :)

[Nando]

but m8 if i know at least that then there will be more time to do them. i just dont want to be rushing around. if i get them ready then a patch will be ready alot quicker.

As soon as Si has the match engine done the soon you can make a patch and give it to Si for testing.

Patience, I know you need time, but Si needs it too and trust me, it wont mind if the patch will come out after the release of NSS4... better late than never, right?;)

[proevofanatik]

no probs. i just thought that the game was commin out soon. ill hang fire for now then

[Nando]

no probs. i just thought that the game was commin out soon. ill hang fire for now then

It is coming out around September but the match engine should be more than ready by then.

[JJU]

It is coming out around September but the match engine should be more than ready by then.
You'd kinda hope so wouldn't you? :rolleyes:

[proevofanatik]

i hope its goin to be online play

[Nando]

i hope its goin to be online play

The most likely online system will probably be in SS2 but that doesn't rule out NSS4.

[proevofanatik]

yeah well even ss2 would be great online. hopefully the stadiums can get put into that as well. what game is si working on just now? both?

[JJU]

Just NSS4 for now. I can't see NSS getting any online mode before Sensational does. I definitely think an improved SS with online multiplayer would rock.

[proevofanatik]

i hope theres a function to buy and sell players from each other online

[Nando]

i hope theres a function to buy and sell players from each other online

If NSS4 has an online feature it is going to one person controls one player.

As for SS it will probably be one person controls one team. As for interactive leagues like FIFA has I don't know if Si wishes to add that but it would be a great feature.

[proevofanatik]

i just seen that he made a couple of management games. if he combined the manager games with sensational soccer then we could have a really good player/manager online game. now that would be fantastic!!

[JJU]

Eh? Sensational Soccer is the only management game he's made, which other ones are you referring to?

[Nando]

Eh? Sensational Soccer is the only management game he's made, which other ones are you referring to?

I think he means ECM and WCM.

[JJU]

Ohhh.. silly me.. never actually played them :redface:

[Nando]

Ohhh.. silly me.. never actually played them :redface:

I have played World Cup Manager and it had it fair share of fun. IF I am not mistaken you could see the zone of the field where the ball is (nothing like FM, if anyone is thinking of that).

As for Euro Cup Manager, I just didn't have the money for it. (And it was in Portugal, dang!)

[statto]

I've tried them both. sadly as far as management games go they didn't have a lot of replay value, though they're good 15 minutes of fun, and I would have liked to see something beyond the end of the WC. But hey hey, if we didn't have WCM we wouldn't have NSS4 then would we? ;)

[proevofanatik]

the management side doesnt have to be great. as long as u can buy players from each other, then that should be enough. have players wages, and even have the option to be a scout in a match. where you can spectate a match with 2 other human players.

[Conway1992]

Did you make Eland Road?

[Nando]

Did you make Eland Road?

He hasn't because the game hasn't come out yet, so no...

[siread]

If anyone has some sketchup stadiums (that they made personally, not found on the internet) please can attach you zip and attach them in this thread? I want to test some out. :)

[proevofanatik]

theres the nou camp m8

good luck

http://www.uploading.com/en/files/BUR184VR/noucamp.zip.html

[proevofanatik]

si did you try out the stadium? did it work?

[statto]

Stadiums are working in the game. I don´t know about yours yet, and the stadiums so far are very, very simple and are not very detailed, so we´ll just have to be patient I guess :/

[proevofanatik]

i know that m8 but he asked earlier in this topic if anyone had any sketchup models of stadiums. i uploaded the nou camp. i was only asking if he got that and tested it

[siread]

Thanks for that. I tried it out and it works, although there were a few issues (invisible faces) and it might be a bit too detailed for the final game but it's a nice piece of work. :D

There will be more details on stadium design soon so hopefully we'll be able to fix it up, if you're interested. :)

[Nando]

Si, will there be a very basic stadium editor?

[siread]

Probably not. At least until after the game is released.

[proevofanatik]

Thanks for that. I tried it out and it works, although there were a few issues (invisible faces) and it might be a bit too detailed for the final game but it's a nice piece of work. :D

There will be more details on stadium design soon so hopefully we'll be able to fix it up, if you're interested. :)


no probs m8 ill pm you my msn address if you want to get hold of me

[siread]

Ok, so it seems everyone involved in making stadiums so far has bailed on me. Even the mighty Statto due to Personal Computer reasons. :(

Are there any 3D designers out there capable of creating 3 generic stadiums; Small, Medium, Large?

These have to be your own work and not ripped from another game or Turbosquid or Google 3d warehouse.

[statto]

I still got you covered, Si.

[pstudio]

If there's a need for it I'm willing to make a stadium or two. I've made a Danish stadium before (though I didn't finished it completely), but that's probably to detailed.
If you want my help I'll just need some guidelines for how the stadium should be.

[siread]

Actually Statto's back on the case, and they are looking fine with a capital F. :D

[Murnane1992]

Si, can you use sketchup to make the stadiums or what?






P.S-I'm good at sketchup.

[statto]

I'll release a tutorial next week. Si and I have one or two final things to work out.

[pstudio]

How many vertices and faces is a stadium approx. made of for NSS4?

[statto]

You know, I couldn't tell you right now, but I'll try to figure that out in a couple days. It's probably about 100 faces at most I would guess?