How can you get the best results in NSS1?

[Adedamola]

I play NSS1 since I got my registration code but I get the problem of terrible career in it who has a tip for easy success in this game?

[Dimitrije]

What's the problem?Money,bad playing... ?

[hernant15]

I´m having certain problems with the bad playing issue. I´m very irregular: I have great games or bad, very bad games...
How can I do to achieve certain type of regularity in my kind of playing? What abilities should I train and any tip you would like to tell me

[Dimitrije]

Well,I had that problem (with bad playing) and it will be more harder to train skils when you get older and older.I want to say,I don't know what should you do.:o
How many old are you in game?

[Adedamola]

My problem is bad playing?

[Nando]

I have an idea train hard :p :p

Niow seriously, if you are a striker youi should train your striker skills (shooting, etc...) if you are a midfielder you should train your midfeilder skills, etc...

[Adedamola]

Striker skills like shooting, heading, dribbling and set pieces right?

[Nando]

Striker skills like shooting, heading, dribbling and set pieces right?
Yep, but don't forget pace and stamina who are very important in any position;)

[Adedamola]

okay thanks. That should do.

[Joe9987]

is there anyway to improve your attributes quicker? you say train harder but how is this done?

[Dimitrije]

Maybe you should try 'cheating' :DTry to edit your skills.;)

[Nando]

Maybe you should try 'cheating' :DTry to edit your skills.;)

Ahhh... The old cheating way:D :D I hate it :evil: ;) :lol:

[Adedamola]

How can you cheat in it then?

[JJU]

Although I persoanlly don't recommend it until you've mastered the game to some degree, reading through this thread...

http://www.newstargames.com/newstarforum/showthread.php?t=467

... should give you all the info you need.

HOWEVER, if you managed to corrupt your game, we accept no responsibility, so you may want to make a copy of your save game file before you start :)

[mmufcie]

I hope i can hold the line i live in now...

I have played 10 games for Barnet and scored 25 goals, the last five games i scored everytime a minimum of 3 goals :)

I hope i get the free reg code very soon.

[Nando]

PM NSS1 Reg whit your name and you will get the code;)

[PeterK2006]

Thanks to a plug in the lastest issue of FourFourTwo (the one with Sven-Goran Eriksson on the cover), I visited the website and downloaded the games, I'm enjoying NSS1 very much.

I've found out that if you focus on the shooting skill during training (and put all 10 free skill points when you register the game towards the shooting skill) then you should be able to score from yards out no problems at all.
Currently, I'm playing for Fulham and so far had 10 goals in 9 games and most of them came outside 10-15 yards.

I also recommend when you're setting up a new game to spread out the points evenly across the attributes.

[chimpster]

I have played the first 10 games of the unregistered version of NSS1 a few times, and my popularity always plummets straight away... Methinks I am doing something wrong... :redface:

[!S_M!]

I had the same thing. It's virtually impossible not to do bad in the beginning unless you have phenomenally good luck. Even if you stick all 10 of the bonus registry skill points into shooting and add in the original 10 too making for 20 points in shooting you will still miss a ton of times thanks to poor flair or poor positioning.

Unless you have as I said phenominally good luck the key to doing good during the early stages of the game is to save the game before starting a match and turn off auto-save. Then just keep replaying the match until you do 'good'. The key to knowing whether you do good or not is the small number called "Match Rating" listed above your shots counter in-match. 5 means you did average which will keep the boss, team, support all around 50%. Anything less than 5 will plummet them. Get a rating of 10 on the other hand and you'll instantly be around 70% in all three categories.

Your match rating goes up when sucessfully completing things, and goes down any time you fail in anything. Getting goals will instantly raise your match rating 2 full points. Approximately 4 sucesful dribbles are needed to make it go from 5 to 6. 2 sucessful through passes do the same thing. 3 sucessful tackles did the same thing if I recall correctly. Pressing the play button without choosing anything and being sucessful twice will raise it also.

Sounds great and easy right? Here's the bad thing... two failures of anything even two separate skills will cause a point reduction each time. And during the first few games you will fail far more often than suceed no matter how you set up your game. Even if you get 'lucky' enough to be given the option for the fitness boosting drugs that gives free 10 points, and even if you stuck all 10 into pace and 10 from the start as well, you will still fail quite often when it uses the 'pace' check when trying to tackle or dribble using the pace option. Even if you stuck 10 points into ball control at the beginning you will still mess up quite often when trying to play those high balls. Even if you stuck 10 points into both feet you will still quite often miss shots and passes because of 'bad foot'. Even if you stuck 10 points into flair you will still quite often fail in shots that are high and require either a header or a volley. Passing though is by far the most annoying skill as you will almost always fail with it until you've improved it over 15 while at the same time improving vision over 15 while at the same time improving both feet, ball control, and flair skills. I've had occassions where it said nobody was around me and I had plenty of teammates to pass to and it still ended up being messed up and given to the other side both with using simple and through versions. Which is why I usually dribble out or shoot instead of botherring with it... since with a high enough strength rating and only using the top option each time you can beat out practically every single time. The downside? after a single dribble, dribble, dribble, etc. run your dribbling skill can drop as much as 13 points in a single run up the field, and once your dribble skill drops to around 4 or so you'll start to see the play 'flub' even before getting the option screen (although when it does get to the option it still works wonders).

One interresting bug in NSS1 is that no matter what happens your pace, strength, vision, positioning, etc. skills will never go down, only the 'skills' class of attributes such as shooting, headers, etc. will go down. By the way did you know that if your useful secondary stat is high that you can still suceed with a skill even if it is at 0? Of course that only works if the player doesn't 'flub' the move before it gets to the check against the non-dropping ability any skill below that 4 or 5 ish mark will fail quite often, hell most of the skills fail even at 10 or higher.

So what's the key to getting 6 or greater when you fail so much? Keep reloading the pre-match save and redo it until you manage to get 6-10 rating. Of course even if you get a rating of 10 your team can still lose or draw because of overall patheticness. Since most players are willing to take the first transfer offer that comes in that pays better than what you play for already it won't really matter if the team stinks so allow them to wallow in their self-induced misery. But if you're a player who feels loyal and wants to stick to a single team until the contract wears out it will matter perhaps it might be better to redo until both you and the team get a good result, on the other hand you'll play enough matches that a single loss or draw every now and then won't really matter so if you get a 7-10 rating in your first few games is worth more than a team win even if you're the loyal type.

Now want to know the secret to 'train harder' without editing game files that can cause issues? Save your game after each new day. Reload if the follow day does not give you a result that increases your abilities in some way. Sometimes you can reload the same day fifty or sixty times before you get a point the next day but it IS possible to get a point every day of the week except game days if you're dedicated and patient - really, really, really dedicated and patient (you'll wind up having to do that load, choice, ok, routine 500 odd times per week which gets annoying really fast. You can get up to 2 'training bonus' per week, plus the coach working on something with you, then there's the option of going to the gym, etc.

Personally I only did that to prove it was doable.. it's just not worth the hassle to me. Getting 2-3 attribute points between each match is plenty and a lot less annoying and time consuming.

As for what stats to improve... shooting ability is good since goals give 2 match rating points each. However putting it all into shooting is not as good of an idea as some folks make out as you'll still run into issues getting the ball close enough to score with, not to mention that even with a shooting over 25 you can still get shots blocked by defenders, saved by the keeper, or "too far away to score from here" even as short as 35 yards out (I find it ironic that I get that message from 35 yards out yet I've seen the computer score from 55 yards out..). Nonetheless this is the first skill you'd want to work to at least 20 as a striker since it will make a huge difference in your match ratings (which in turn makes a difference in your teammates and supporters, which in turn means you'll get the ball more often and be more sucessful when you do get it) but I'm not sure if I'd push it much farther than that intentionally for a long time to come.

Personally I'd suggest getting positioning at least up to 15 if you're going for a shooter setup. Flair probably needs at least 15, both feet needs at least 15 too, strength should probably be at least 15 and all of that's just to improve your chances at getting the shots to go in since each one of those skills will factor into your shooting chances. Dribbling is crucial since you'll use it so much, and with at least 15 strength if you use the top choice you'll suceed most of the time. After you get all those skills up I think I'd next suggest returning to work on dribbling and either strength or pace until you get it and the support skill to 30. Unless you are a good passer (which seems incredibly difficult to achieve) you'll be using that dribbling skill a LOT. If you go the pace to 30 route always choose the bottom option, strength always choose the top option. Personally I went the strength route since it also helps me muscle those high balls and shoot harder to field shots. But then again its possible that if I did the pace version I would be so fast that I could outrun my challengers without needing as many dribble usages.. anyone able to confirm that one?

BTW for you shooters out there.. 'flubbed' shots will take off a full point each, good shots but that don't go in will drop you half a point (unless already close to dropping in which case it seems like a full point), while shots that go in always seem to go up exactly 2.0 match rating. Once your match rating hits 10 it won't go up any higher though. Not that that matters much since 10 will still 'usually' award you the man of the match honors.

Anyway long summary short - using the save and reload method is the best way to train and to get good match scores during the early days. If you let the program run without reloading back you will inevitably fail a LOT during the early games and the more you fail the lower your support and teammates which means you'll play even worse next time and get the ball even less. So don't be ashamed if you get bad results in the early games without using the reload method, that's just normal.

As an addendum I'm going to post a brief summary of a game I just had a few minutes ago.

Started the game 100% with all relationships except that girlfriend stat at 0. My team was playing the last placed team in our division. I started the game with 23 shooting ability, 12 heading, 2 flair, 10 control and both feet, 17 strength, 13 positioning.

I took 8 shots during that game all within 20 yards and three of the shots with no defenders on me. Not a single one scored. The 2 corner kicks I either failed the positioning check or I failed the flair check. 2 of the remaining shots were headers in both cases the headers were easily defended by the keeper. Of the remaining four 'normal' shots 2 failed the flair check, one was "hit by the wrong foot", the other was easily defended.

On the other hand I've also ran into games where I scored four goals on four tries even with 0 flair and only 10 positioning skill. It's all a matter of luck on whether or not the program's coding is in your favor or against you.

That being said.. do yourself a favor and train technique (mainly flair and both feet, although control is also heavily advised) not skills. You can raise shooting all you want but without the support skills you run into trouble.

[aristotle]

Why don't you just start with a small club, work your way up. As easy as that

[!S_M!]

aristotle, you don't understand.. that IS with an easy club. NSS1 suffers from an highly erratic in-game engine. Even with a full compliment of stats you can still end up with a terrible game and even with an absolutely abysmal starting stat setup you can still end up with a wonderful game.

On the other hand, if you know what stats to boost first you can for the most part overcome it.

Shooting stat needs the following stats in its varied checks: headed shots (shooting, header... goal depends on header skill, how many defenders, distance away, and pure luck), in-air volley shots (shooting, flair... goal depends on flair stat, how many defenders are between you and the goal, distance away, and pure luck), low passes or previously dribbled balls (shooting, both feet... goal depends on both feet stat sometimes, amount of defenders, distance away, and pure luck), free kicks and corner kicks (goal depends on shooting, positioning is highly important, both feet semi-important, heading semi-important, flair semi-important, both feet semi-important, and finally pure luck), only the goalkeeper to beat shots (shooting skill is practically the be-all and end-all for these shots but even with a full 30 and not having taken a shot yet once in a while pure luck can make it miss or be saved by the gk).

Now for those of you who wonder how to get the ball close enough to actually be in range for scoring I'll add in a detailing of the importance for dribbling, passing, and tackling.

Dribbling requires of course the dribbling skill but it also requires pace and/or strength. Whenever you go to dribble the dribbling skill decides whether or not you'll get the popup choice box. The top option of Nutmeg, Zidane Spin, etc. is the strength option. A person with equal strength to pace is better off with this option most of the time since the opposing players almost always seem to have lower strength rates than pace. The bottom option on the other hand is for the pure Pace people. Now here's why I said "and/or"... even if you choose the top option every time if your pace is really high you'll get farther distances on average before the next confrontation.
Quick warning.. do not only dribble. My suggestion in games is to pass the ball when you have teammates (assuming your passing stats are ok) and only dribble when you have "free space" / "nobody has shut you down" / etc. (Oh, and if your shooting abilities are good... anytime you're within 30 yards of the net if no defense is on you... shoot. Most times it will go in same as if you took the time dribbling it all in since it eliminates the defenders from the shooting equation.) The reason for this is even with a full 30 dribbling skill eventually it'll drop down low enough that it'll stop qualifying past the initial check. But by spreading the skill usage to passing too both stats should stay high enough to last the whole game.

The passing skill requires of course the passing skill for the initial check. It also requires the both feet stat sometimes, a check against defenders, and pure luck. With a very high passing stat you should suceed 90% of the time even with "several defenders" on you. The short pass option I tend to ignore personally but to each their own. Then you have the occasions where you just received a high pass and you're too far away to score but do have teammates available. In this case you need to have both the passing and heading skills still relatively high. In this case it barely uses the passing skill check but it is heavily dependant upon the heading skill. It also runs a check against defenders and pure luck... but by and large it is more sucessful than regular passes assuming you have a high header ability. The only difference between short and long headers that I've seen is how quickly the ball moves down the field. Short headers go for about 5 yards, long headers seem to go 10-20 yards.

Having talked about what to do when a high ball too far from the net but with teammates available... now its time to answer the no-teammate option. If you are over 20 yards away (header) or 32 yard away (volley shot) so you can't score.. and you've got no teammates closeby to pass to... your only option now is to bring the ball down. Clicking the 'play' button without choosing an option first will attempt to bring the ball down. First it will check your control stat. Then it will check your strength stat, and finally comes pure luck. But by large if you've developed your strength stat and have at least 10 control you'll suceed more than fail. Whereupon you'll have the ball on the ground, more enemies around you but also more teammates which means you can now dribble or pass (usually).

Finally the tackling skill which requires the tackling skill, strength, pace, and especially positioning, but also a modicum of pure luck. If your pace is too low you'll see messages about not being able to keep up, if your strength is too low you'll see messages about being muscled away, if your positioning is too low you'll see messages about not being able to get between the goal - in fact this is the most often thing I run into even with a high (20-25+) positioning stat.

As for set pieces... to be frank I've found no use for the skill in NSS1. With good heading, passing, shooting (and positioning, flair) you'll make tons of goals and assists off of the same incident which would've given you the set piece choice. I usually leave set piece for last of the red stats to max but since NSS1 makes red stat training so ridiculously easy it soon maxed out in every game. I have used it some just to see what it did... and frankly I felt it was a waste of my time since it didn't score me goals or assists even once out of ten usages at max 30.

Anyone notice that nowhere in all of that did I mention Vision..? Well.. it does sometimes come up for a few of those stats such as passing... but it is so incredibly rare that I find training it up before maxing out the others to be not as important. If you've maxed every single other thing available, then, yeah sure, train it to your heart's content. Otherwise... I'd just ignore it... but to each their own.

[footywoods]

Yeah but I dont get a lot of passing options due to the lack of vison, thats whats good about vison.

[ronrooy]

i started wid arsenal then move 2 wycome now im just gd on the game 9 goals in 7 starts in premiship its better starting wid sum1 lower down

[welander1987]

hehe i got that problem to

[wonder]

i started wid arsenal then move 2 wycome now im just gd on the game 9 goals in 7 starts in premiship its better starting wid sum1 lower down

No its not better starting in a rubish team where you can increase your stats

Shots dont still go in even if you have 30 shooting...

[milamber]

Found this game a few days ago. It's addictive and unique, but damn hard. Even on Easy. I like that you have to work hard to up your match rating (it's spot on), but the penalties for errors are way too harsh.

eg. 50 yards, 3 defenders, no support, only lets you head or shoot. Obviously you're doomed either way - you get penalised!
eg. You dribble past 3 players and hit the post - you get no credit!
eg. Take a shot from 40 yards and make keeper parry - counted as a bad miss!

Needs to be tweaked in an unofficial patch.

Anyway, I'll persist, but this game is so close to be legendary that it's a shame that it's so frustrating.

[Ace]

If you like NSS1, you better try 2 and 3! :D They are much better!
Oh, my. That's my 300th post... :D

[Nando]

Oh, my. That's my 300th post... :D

Congrast!!

Sorry I only said that when you are in post number 301...

[mu-gohar]

u cant increase ur training speed but u get trainning bonus and certain incidents that can increase ur skills in the game.
by the way its a big game.

[czhou01]

hmmm how about save/load till you get a training bonus or 'your extra training is paying off!'

when I get a bonus, I try to get it to anything except tackling and set pieces, when I get training paying off, I allocate the point to dribbling or passing and occasionally shooting

I tend to focus on positioning, pace and control though, and only do skills training when I get a lot of failed shots etc

[GarfishEv0]

Do u jus PM that nss1 reg person with ur player name?

[JJU]

:wall: :wall: :wall:

Just do EXACTLY what it says in the imaginitavely entitled thread right at the top of the NSS1 forum?http://www.newstarsoccer.com/newstarforum/showthread.php?t=2609

[jessdabest]

wen u are putting the skills on the game just clcik play it will assign them fairly throughout the attributes and start out at accrington stanley and just always use dribble and the top dribble skill wen u are about 25 yards or under shoot i did this and scored 21 goals in 7 games and got 10 for my match rating in every game!!!

[callmemoss]

you should start off at a lower team i started off as morcambe and i average over 2 goals a match so playing is easy because your confidence is soooooooooooooooooo high

[AnizoneMarvin]

My tactics are, when yopu start a new game get maximum stats in Pace, Dribbling and Shooting, and train for max Heading. Whenever you get the ball dribble until you are one on one and then you will almost certainly score. whenever there is a set piece do a combo of Shoot and Header.

[Fabrizio Gatti]

If you have high shooting stats, shoot at every nice chance!!
Chance should be less than 30 yds and no defender.
Also try to use simple passing till you get some skills as bad passing will get you a rating of 3 or 2 in no time :)

[Dr.Tchock]

I dont know what your all moaning about. I found this game pretty easy to handle. As you cant choose which position you are, I recommend putting in skills such as dribbling, passing and heading at first. It is then much easier to play. Passes dont go so wide of the mark and most of the time hit their target perfectly, you can dribble around any conference team with ease with just 7 or so points and dont shoot unless its a one on one or you have good positioning from a corner or free kick.
Simple as that

[Praise]

I have got max dribbling, and yet hardly get to dribble my way to the post no matter how hard I try

[wonder]

Try being a team player no matter how good you are.......I try to get a hattrick in the first half and create opportunities for others in the second...

[zloi]

I have an idea train hard :p :p

Niow seriously, if you are a striker youi should train your striker skills (shooting, etc...) if you are a midfielder you should train your midfeilder skills, etc...

striker? you can choose between positions ? or it you just keep in mind who are you, striker, midfield or defender...?