NSGP Online Championship

[FilipeMB]

NSGP Championship - Sign up now! Deadline: October 24th or until the 20th driver signs up

Sign-up following this:

FORUM NAME: (Your name on the NSG Forum)
IN-GAME NAME: (The NSGP driver name you'll use)
NATIONALITY: (Where you are from)
2009 F1 TEAM: (The team you'll choose: Ferrari, Red Bull, Williams, etc. Note: There is only two spots available for each 2009 F1 Season Team)
NATION'S GMT: (The GMT of where you live. For example: Brazil - GMT -3 Also tell us if Daylight Saving Time is enabled right now in your country)
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: (What time you are available to race at GMT, without DST)

Roster:

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb and saloon - (FULL)
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - berni19 - 1 driver available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - w1lla - 1 driver available
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction and desiganp - (FULL)
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - peter-27 - 1 driver available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

[robbyd]

If you search the boards you will find another topic very similar to this, it has been discussed before.

[Paranhos]

That's true, but we can start organizing it! I'm interested. Perhaps we should make a list with the people that want to join... Then choosing a good GMT time for all the people involved... And schedule a race! :D

[bazik]

i would be in :)

[robbyd]

As would I if I could get online.

I'm releasing the New NSGP F1 in a week or so to coincide with the release of the 1967 mod. Probably best to wait until then, we might have some new teams and players that will boost interest.

[FilipeMB]

for sure. let's wait for your mod and maybe schedule a test race

[Paranhos]

Looking forward to your mod, Rob! I can help you with the installer, if you're interested. :)

And by the way, let's use different mods to do different online competitions! We could do a 2009 championship, or a 1967 one, or a NSGP F1 competition using Rob's mods!

How about creating a "sign in" deadline, and schedule Australia on the sunday of the same week? Perhaps October 20th, three weeks away from today, or until the 20th person signs in, whichever comes first. And maybe, in the forms, two people could join in a team? How about that?

Anybody disagrees? If not, let's start the inscribing!

[Cookie Monster]

I AM IN!

(caps checking lol)

[Paranhos]

Ok, here's a sample of what I think should be a application form, just to let everything organized:

FORUM NAME: (Explains itself)
IN-GAME NAME: (The NSGP driver name you'll use)
NATIONALITY: (Explains itself)
2009 F1 TEAM: (Ferrari, Red Bull, Williams, etc.)
NATION'S GMT: (For example: Brazil - GMT -3)
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: (What time you are available to race)

And here goes my application form:

FORUM NAME: Paranhos
IN-GAME NAME: Victor Paranhos
NATIONALITY: Brazil
2009 F1 TEAM: Williams
NATION'S GMT: Brazil - GMT-3
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Everyday GMT 20:00 to 02:00. Weekends at any time.

[FilipeMB]

Ok, here's a sample of what I think should be a application form, just to let everything organized:

FORUM NAME: (Explains itself)
IN-GAME NAME: (The NSGP driver name you'll use)
NATIONALITY: (Explains itself)
2009 F1 TEAM: (Ferrari, Red Bull, Williams, etc.)
NATION'S GMT: (For example: Brazil - GMT -3)

And here goes my application form:

FORUM NAME: Paranhos
IN-GAME NAME: Victor Paranhos
NATIONALITY: Brazil
2009 F1 TEAM: Williams
NATION'S GMT: Brazil - GMT-3

the time when the person could race would also be interesing

FORUM NAME: FilipeMB
IN-GAME NAME: Felipe Barbosa
NATIONALITY: Brazil
2009 F1 TEAM: Brawn GP
NATION'S GMT: Brazil - GMT -3
time to race: everyday 9 to 10PM or weekends afternoon/nights.

[Cookie Monster]

Forum Name: Cookie Monster
Ingame name: (same)
Nationality: Portuguese
2009 F1 Team: Ferrari
Nation's GMT: Portugal - GMT +0
Racing time: everyday 9 to 10PM or weekends afternoon/nights.

[Paranhos]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the person's availability... Added it to my sample application form.

Accepted Drivers:

1- Paranhos
2- FilipeMB
3- Cookie Monster
4- Wulfyn
5- Alex Reeves

EDIT: If you could sticky this thread and edit FilipeMB's first post on this thread with the accepted drivers would be great, CM!
EDIT2: Or perhaps FilipeMB could edit his post himself :lol: ... Please put a big announcement saying DEADLINE: October 20th and the accepted drivers. :)

[felipe1337]

Hmm nice idea, but, what's the minimun speed for an online race?

[Paranhos]

You mean download and upload speed requirements? No requirements, I think.

[felipe1337]

No, i mean internet connection speed

[FilipeMB]

felipe, if you wanna we may try to see if your internet is faster enough to play

[Wulfyn]

FORUM NAME: Wulfyn
IN-GAME NAME: Daniel Holland
NATIONALITY: English
2009 F1 TEAM: Red Bull
NATION'S GMT: GMT
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Everyday GMT 19:00 to 00:00, except some Wednesdays when it is 21:00 to 00:00

[bazik]

i may or may not be able to join you, as i already have racing "obligations" for that sunday, depends on the time i guess

[Alex Reeves]

FORUM NAME: Alex Reeves
IN-GAME NAME: SpinDizzy
NATIONALITY: Australian
2009 F1 TEAM: Koyota
NATION'S GMT: GMT+11
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Probably when no-one else can make it - I'm at the arse end of the world... Noon would be the best compromise for me.

I've still not managed to run a single online race, or (apart from one attempt with Robbyd in the trials which failed) even seen anyone online to have a race with. Call me cynical, but I think the idea of an online championship with everyone actually getting online and it working with latency/lag etc. is difficult at best.

[Cookie Monster]

My download speed is 18M (that's about 18500kbps I think..) and my upload speed is 1M (1024kbps) and I'm in Portugal. I don't really think lag can destroy the chances of racing because I can race nicely against Paranhos and he's in Brazil. Perhaps timezones will play a prank on us though. What time is 1PM or 12AM in Brazil? I only know that it's a good time for Australia because Alex seems to be on more often at such a time but I don't know how to calculate time for other areas with different timezones (call me a nab if you want to :D)

[Paranhos]

1PM in Brazil is 4PM GMT, 12 AM is 3 AM GMT. Not much... Let's say we schedule a race on Australian Time Zone's 11 PM. That'd be 12 PM GMT, 9 AM in Brazil's time zone. Unless somebody from Hawaii joins up, it's possible for everyone to race. :) Since we're headed to spring over here at south, I guess there's no DST at Australia now, right?

Could you please update the first post to this, CM or Filipe MB? So people that are reading this the very first time won't have to read the entire thread. :)

NSGP Championship - Sign up now! Deadline: October 20th or until the 20th driver signs up

Sign-up following this:

FORUM NAME: (Your name on the NSG Forum)
IN-GAME NAME: (The NSGP driver name you'll use)
NATIONALITY: (Where you are from)
2009 F1 TEAM: (The team you'll choose: Ferrari, Red Bull, Williams, etc. Note: There is only two spots available for each 2009 F1 Season Team)
NATION'S GMT: (The GMT of where you live. For example: Brazil - GMT -3 Also tell us if Daylight Saving Time is enabled right now in your country)
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: (What time you are available to race at GMT, without DST)

Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - 2 drivers available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves - 1 driver available
Toro Rosso - 2 drivers available
Red Bull - Wulfyn - 1 driver available
Williams - Paranhos - 1 driver available
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB - 1 driver available

[Cookie Monster]

What's DST? I think it is but I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what it actually is :D

[Paranhos]

Daylight Savings Time, I think. In Portuguese, it's "horário de verão".

[Cookie Monster]

Ohh... It's on but I'm not sure if it's over in October (it should be midway through the month..) Also post edited :)

[Paranhos]

Ohh... It's on but I'm not sure if it's over in October (it should be midway through the month..) Also post edited :)

Thanks. :) For everybody, there is a good site to find out what time it is over the world. Take a look here (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/). I think that scheduling the races at 12PM GMT (without DST) won't complicate people on the other side on the world, I guess. The thing is, when DST ends on the North, it starts on the South, so DST is an issue. Literally. :lol:

[Cookie Monster]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=20&month=10&year=2009&p1=133&p2=213&p3=57&p4=45 Here are some interesting times for our races :)

[Paranhos]

Cool, but Alex Reeves' time is not the same as Canberra's, I think, it's GMT +11, over by the ocean... Here's the times for Brasília, Lisbon, London and Honiara (Solomon Islands' capital, same GMT as Alex's location), on the saturday of the same week:http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=24&month=10&year=2009&p1=45&p2=133&p3=136&p4=273. The best time on saturday would be 10AM GMT, without counting with DST.

[Cookie Monster]

It'd work greatly for me as Tuesday really sucks (school) and iirc Alex is in Australia, so that's why I put down Canberra, but now that I remember he said GMT+11... so what's the day gonna be? Not the 20th is it?

[Paranhos]

The race would be at Saturday, 24 October 2009, 10:00:00 GMT, without DST.

[Cookie Monster]

Everything edited accordingly then. Still haven't added the hour because we need to know for sure that people are available (I am) But it'd be better to have an extra 30 min for joining cos I tend to sleep a lot :P

[Paranhos]

10:30 then? Hosting at 10:00, qualifying 10:30, race right after quali? At Brasilia, that'd be Sat 08:30, Lisbon and London Sat 11:30, Honiara Sat 21:30. It would be good to tell each person what their local time would be, so no mistakes would be made.

EDIT: We would only be able to change the day of races, not the time, otherwise it'd be too late or too early at some places...
EDIT2: If somebody from more to the west of the world join, we'd have to move it to 11:30, 22:30 at Honiara...

[Cookie Monster]

Perfect! (10 chars!)

[Paranhos]

Let's wait until October 20th, then we could revise the time to make sure nobody that joined later will have the race too much early. Until then, the time of the test race will be at October 24th, 10:00 GMT, without counting with DST.

Brasília: 08:00 AM
London and Lisbon: 11:00 AM
Honiara: 21:30 PM

EDIT: If you could change the deadline to October 20th (so we can revise the time zones carefully, with time), and create a new line talking about the test race would be great. :)

[floweb]

Great idea! Of course I wanna join :)
I've never tried online racing, because nobody was online...

FORUM NAME: floweb
NATIONALITY: Austria
2009 F1 TEAM: McLaren-Mercedes
NATION'S GMT: Austria - GMT +2 (Summer Time / Daylight Saving Time is enabled right now; will end on Sunday 25th October 2009)
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Mo-Fr GMT 17:00 to 21:00; Sa-So: most of the time

Just a few questions: How long will it take? And how many races will we drive during one session? And on which track will we drive?

[Paranhos]

I was thinking of us simulating an entire season, week by week, one race per week, with quali, 15 laps perhaps. Then uploading the results onto this thread and giving a "title" to the winning driver and constructor.

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves - 1 driver available
Toro Rosso - 2 drivers available
Red Bull - Wulfyn - 1 driver available
Williams - Paranhos - 1 driver available
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB - 1 driver available

EDIT: Forgot to mention that there will be a test race, to test if there are any bugs to fix about Online Play. The race will be hosted at October 24th, Saturday 12:00PM in Austria's local time.

[FilipeMB]

paranhos, wanna try to see if the connection works fine for us?

[Cookie Monster]

I'd happily record the races to post online :)

[FilipeMB]

both of you, if you guys wanna, i'm hosting a test race right now, just to see how it works out.

[Paranhos]

I'd happily record the races to post online :)

That's a good idea, I was just thinking of posting the results in a table!


both of you, if you guys wanna, i'm hosting a test race right now, just to see how it works out.

Sure. :)

[FilipeMB]

I am trying to host a game, does somebody see it in NSGP on-line menu?

[Cookie Monster]

I see it but can't enter and my ports are forwarded :(

[FilipeMB]

Cookie, we managed to join a Paranhos game.

[Cookie Monster]

Hold it, I'm turning the game on again... (was doing mod stuff)

[captinfranko]

Hell yes I'd be interested in this. I haven't been on the forums for a while and haven't as of yet been able to race anyone on the online racing because nobody seemed to be on when I tried but I would love to have a go...

FORUM NAME: captinfranko
IN-GAME NAME: Chris Copeman
NATIONALITY: English
2009 F1 TEAM: Brawn-Mercedes
NATION'S GMT: London
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Mon-Fri 19:00 - 22:00 Sat and Sun - Pretty much anytime

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves - 1 driver available
Toro Rosso - 2 drivers available
Red Bull - Wulfyn - 1 driver available
Williams - Paranhos - 1 driver available
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

EDIT: captinfranko, we scheduled a race at 24th of October at 11:00AM on London local time.

[captinfranko]

Yay *Bouncing round room smiling* may try and have a quick look online now before bed to see if anyone is there.

[FilipeMB]

Paranhos, me and Cookie Monster tried to run a race and it ran fine

[Alex Reeves]

Daylight Savings starts for Sydney this weekend, which is why I put my time down as GMT+11. Currently I'm at GMT+10, until Saturday.

[desiganp]

FORUM NAME: desiganp
IN-GAME NAME: Desigan Pillay
NATIONALITY: South Africa
2009 F1 TEAM: Scuderia Toro Rosso - Ferrari
NATION'S GMT: GMT +2HRS
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Everyday GMT 16:00 to 20:00. Weekends at any time except during a Grand Prix

[w1lla]

FORUM NAME:w1lla
IN-GAME NAME: w1lla
NATIONALITY: The Netherlands(NED)
2009 F1 TEAM: Torro Rosso
NATION'S GMT: Amsterdam GMT +1
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Round 12.00 AM

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves - 1 driver available
Toro Rosso - desiganp and w1lla - (FULL)
Red Bull - Wulfyn - 1 driver available
Williams - Paranhos - 1 driver available
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

[Paranhos]

Daylight Savings starts for Sydney this weekend, which is why I put my time down as GMT+11. Currently I'm at GMT+10, until Saturday.

Sorry about double posting...

Well, I guess that doesn't change the time for test race we scheduled, since at the day planned, the east of Australia will turn on DST, and while that in Honiara, they won't, so it will even up the time for both places. Just reminding everybody: the test race will be at October 24th, 10:00 AM GMT (without DST), and I have searched the local time it'll be at each driver's local time:

Brazil: 08:00 (8:00 AM)
Portugal/England: 11:00 (11:00 AM)
Netherlands/Austria/South Africa: 12:00 (12:00 PM)
Australia: 21:00 (9:00 PM)

[bazik]

What's DST? I think it is but I'm not sure cos I'm not sure what it actually is :D

Its Doença Sexualmente Transmissivel (Sexually Transmitted Disease) didn't you learned that in school? :P


Let's wait until October 20th, then we could revise the time to make sure nobody that joined later will have the race too much early. Until then, the time of the test race will be at October 24th, 10:00 GMT, without counting with DST.

Brasília: 08:00 AM
London and Lisbon: 11:00 AM
Honiara: 21:30 PM

EDIT: If you could change the deadline to October 20th (so we can revise the time zones carefully, with time), and create a new line talking about the test race would be great. :)

I Believe i can join you guys :)


Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves - 1 driver available
Toro Rosso - desiganp and w1lla - (FULL)
Red Bull - Wulfyn - 1 driver available
Williams - Paranhos - 1 driver available
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

One question, does the team stats influence your race pace or is it just a skin and all cars are created equal?
Cause i wanna join Force India, but... i do wanna kick your butts :P

PS: also... are you going to use a mod? which one?

[FilipeMB]

All teams will have the same race pace

[Paranhos]

As far as I know all cars are equal in NSGP Online...


... so DST is an issue. Literally. :lol:

:lol: Didn't he noticed that earlier?

EDIT: Perhaps any 2009 F1 mod, or none, if the player wishes to.

[bazik]

All teams will have the same race pace

Are you sure about this?

[Paranhos]

I could swear Si said something about car stats being equal in online mode, but I can't find it on the forums... Are they, Si?

[Alex Reeves]

PS: also... are you going to use a mod? which one?

I would suggest no mods - using mods is just likely to introduce problems, and for something like this, let's ensure that we keep as simple a baseline as possible.

I also hope that the car stats are equal in online mode. Would be a bit disappointing if they aren't....

[Wulfyn]

Srry to be a pain, but can I switch teams to Toyota please.


Also I think it is important that everyone has the same race stats, otherwise if this takes off it'll be mostly down to who bagsied the good teams first which I think would be demoralising.

[Paranhos]

Srry to be a pain, but can I switch teams to Toyota please.

Surely. :)

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - desiganp and w1lla - (FULL)
Red Bull - 2 drivers available
Williams - Paranhos - 1 driver available
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)


Also I think it is important that everyone has the same race stats, otherwise if this takes off it'll be mostly down to who bagsied the good teams first which I think would be demoralising.

I would suggest no mods - using mods is just likely to introduce problems, and for something like this, let's ensure that we keep as simple a baseline as possible.

I also hope that the car stats are equal in online mode. Would be a bit disappointing if they aren't....

Agreed with the stats being equal... If it happens to not being equal, perhaps we can create a custom .db, equalising the stats. I also agree about not using mods, at least not now, to avoid problems.

[bazik]

if the stats are the same for everyone then i'll join my fellow countryman to make an all portuguese Ferrari

FORUM NAME: bazik
IN-GAME NAME: Tiago Silva
NATIONALITY: Portuguese (POR)
2009 F1 TEAM: Ferrari
NATION'S GMT: Portugal GMT +0
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Variable

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster and bazik - (FULL)
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - desiganp and w1lla - (FULL)
Red Bull - 2 drivers available
Williams - Paranhos - 1 driver available
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

Needless to say that any one-driver team won't stand a chance at the constructors' championship... ANYBODY?!! :D

[bazik]

Needless to say that any one-driver team won't stand a chance at the constructors' championship... ANYBODY?!! :D

hummm mkay, since i dont really like ferrari that much in f1, ill renounce to making an all portuguese ferrari, and join you on portuguese-brasilian rivalry in williams.

can i?

[Paranhos]

I guess you can! :)

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - desiganp and w1lla - (FULL)
Red Bull - 2 drivers available
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

[fredoxyaction]

FORUM NAME: Fredoxyaction
IN-GAME NAME: Fred Groom
NATIONALITY: British
2009 F1 TEAM: Red Bull
NATION'S GMT: England GMT +0
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Variable but pretty much free on weekends.

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - 2 drivers available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - desiganp and w1lla - (FULL)
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction - 1 driver available
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - 2 drivers available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

EDIT: Wow, 11 players in only three days... :blimey: 20 players doesn't seem to be such an impossible hope right now...

[Alex Reeves]

What we haven't dsicussed yet is the details of the racing.

How many laps? (Recommend 10 or 15)
Damage? (I'd suggest no, just because of lag-related impacts...)
Fuel? (definitely)
COM Cars? (Recommend none)
Qualifying? (yes!)
Kers? (no...)

Also, I know this is a massive ask, but it would be possible to run off a dedicated server? That might require Si to build a modded version of the code that runs just a dedicated server, but something like that would I think be a generic benefit to this and the game, as it could be permanently online and make hosting races a lot easier and fairer. If not, we may need a schedule for hosting to ensure that all racers and teams don't get an advantage or disadvantage out of hosting all the time.

[desiganp]

Dietrich Matterschitz and Christian Horner were so impressed:dance: with my race pace. That they request i be transferred from the Toro Rosso team to join the Red Bull 'A' Team.

If possible .. LOL:D

[peter-27]

FORUM NAME: peter-27
IN-GAME NAME: Peter Santamaria-Woods
NATIONALITY: Indian
2009 F1 TEAM: Force India
NATION'S GMT: GMT (UK) - DST currently on-going
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Quite flexible, weekends are best.

[berni19]

Hello everybody!

I am also very interested to participate in this race, season, whatever. Ordinnary i have time after 20.00 every day and through the weekends many times. If places are still free in the teams my wish is next:
FORUM NAME: berni19
IN-GAME NAME: bernispid
NATIONALITY: Slovenian
2009 F1 TEAM: Renault
NATION'S GMT: Vienna
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Everyday GMT 20:00 to 02:00. Weekends at any time

Best regards

[berni19]

What we haven't dsicussed yet is the details of the racing.

How many laps? (Recommend 10 or 15)
Damage? (I'd suggest no, just because of lag-related impacts...)
Fuel? (definitely)
COM Cars? (Recommend none)
Qualifying? (yes!)
Kers? (no...)

Also, I know this is a massive ask, but it would be possible to run off a dedicated server? That might require Si to build a modded version of the code that runs just a dedicated server, but something like that would I think be a generic benefit to this and the game, as it could be permanently online and make hosting races a lot easier and fairer. If not, we may need a schedule for hosting to ensure that all racers and teams don't get an advantage or disadvantage out of hosting all the time.

My suggestion is 20 laps, no damage ( reason of lag), fuel -yes, com-cars- definitely no, qualifing yes and kers no. Basically i repeated your suggestion Alex..)
Regarding the servers, this is beyond my knowledge, so anythink will do as the race could be possible.
I still didnt race online so i will try now....

Regards...

[Wulfyn]

My preferences are basically an echo of you guys. Wouldn't mind the #laps being 30 for the shorter tracks and 20 for the longer ones.

[captinfranko]

Yeah Im pretty much down for that I really think that damage should be off though for the same reasons that have been mentioned before.

[Alex Reeves]

I would vote to keep the races shorter, but that's just me. One other potential advantage of keeping the races shorter is that we could possibly do two races per weekend rather than one - this would make the season 9 weeks as opposed to 17. I can see a lot of advantages to that.

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb - 1 driver available
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - berni19 - 1 driver available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - w1lla - 1 driver available
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction and desiganp - (FULL)
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - peter-27 - 1 driver available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

I doubt the roster won't be full on October 24th... Only 7 players left... Where are you, KingRob and robbyd?

I think 15 laps for large tracks and 20 for small tracks, without damage, with fuel, without COM cars, with qualyfing, with kers are my opinion about settings...

But about keeping the races shorter... I believe we'll lose a bit of the fun, and if somebody doesn't make it a weekend, he'll miss two races... But that's open for debate, it's just my opinion. :)

EDIT: Just looked at the calendar, and, with 17 races, one per week, we'd only finish the season at the 30th of January...

[Cookie Monster]

RobbyD's screwed by his uni :(

[peter-27]

Well, because this is online and we all have other commitments i think we should just make the rule that if you miss a race you just miss it. No other penalties applied.

That's my opinion anyway :P

[FilipeMB]

I finished doing Indy here in NSGP.
What about a Triple Crown in NSGP? Le Mans, Monaco and Indy?

[Wulfyn]

Yeah 15 for large and 20 for small sounds perfect to me. I'd also be up for 2 races a week as I think shorter seasons would keep interest higher.



When we were racing today some of the guys started to get some lag issues when a 6th player joined. We talked about having a dedicated server, as I think any individual's upload rate would not cope with (potentially) 20 players.

[bazik]

Hear me out on this one

Use the first scoring system in formula one!! Many may not know, but from 1950 (the birth of formula one) till 1980 (that's 30 years in case you have an adding disorder :P) And then from 1985 till 1990, only the best results where used instead of all.

For eg. in 1966 there were a total of 9 races but only the best 5 results would count for the championship.

If we used that here, that would guarantee that people could miss some events without getting out of contention, because lets face it... we all have lives, and we aren't payed loads of cash to race every weekend, so its only normal that sometimes you just cant make it, maybe your brother gets married, your favorite band is in town, or simply cause you dont want to be commited to spend every sunday at home cause of this.

Also... i think 17 i very excessive, why not start small? Do it with 10 races? and if its a sucess increase it on the next season? Also please use the DEFAULT tracks, as much as i like the new submissions, its better if no mods, or custom tracks are involved at the 1st try.

As for 2 races per weekdend, part of me likes it, that'd be great, but part of me thinks the same of someone above commented, its 2 races to miss... but maybe with a good thought on that rule i mentioned of top best results maybe its the way to go.. dunno. I could go either way on this one.

i think that's all :)

Cheers

[Cookie Monster]

That scoring system would actually be nice for this! I'd be last anyway :P :D xD

[Paranhos]

I agree with the point scoring system. And about having two races per weekends. But I think it still should be 17 races...

[Alex Reeves]

Agreed on the point scoring system - top 10 races for points, with a countback system in the case of ties? Does that sound reasonable?

I'm quite concerned about how many racers we can support - up to 5 racers worked brilliantly, but when 6th racer was in, lag started showing up pretty dramatically. Also, qualifying seemed to be very erratic in whether it would work properly. But I think the single "hotlap" format of it works really well.

[Wulfyn]

Yeah I agree on the best results - would allow us to have 2 races per week without overly penalising anyone that missed some.

If we had 16 races (8 weeks) then taking the best 10 or 12 races seems right to me. Allows people to miss 2 or 3 weeks without penalty which feels about the right level to me. Would also allow a championship to be completed within 2 months.

[Cookie Monster]

http://www.pingtest.net/ -> good for testing your pings

http://www.pingtest.net/result/129896.png (http://www.pingtest.net)
http://www.pingtest.net/result/129972.png (http://www.pingtest.net) (closest I found to Australia)
http://www.pingtest.net/result/130043.png (http://www.pingtest.net) (terrible)
http://www.pingtest.net/result/130108.png (http://www.pingtest.net)
http://www.pingtest.net/result/130151.png (http://www.pingtest.net) (closest I found to Austria)
http://www.pingtest.net/result/130223.png (http://www.pingtest.net) (closest I found to the Netherlands, ouch)
http://www.pingtest.net/result/130285.png (http://www.pingtest.net)

[Alex Reeves]

KL isn't really close to Australia for this sort of thing....

I'm not sure about the different lap lengths for different tracks - What decides the cutoff between a "short" or a "long" track? I'd suggest it's easier to decide on a consistent length and use it for all tracks.

[captinfranko]

praps im just not catching people at the right time or something but I am actually yet to race online with nsgp. I cannot find a time when lots of people are on an although I seem to join races when I do find them nothing really happens. I hav the most up to date version and want to join in with this but championship bt am concerned that I might not be able to if I cant get it working. Has anyone else had issues on a mac with online racing?

[peter-27]

praps im just not catching people at the right time or something but I am actually yet to race online with nsgp. I cannot find a time when lots of people are on an although I seem to join races when I do find them nothing really happens. I hav the most up to date version and want to join in with this but championship bt am concerned that I might not be able to if I cant get it working. Has anyone else had issues on a mac with online racing?

same! Although im on Widdows Vista

[redmelons]

Has anyone else had issues on a mac with online racing?

Yep, me :)

Joining on-line game (http://www.newstarsoccer.com/newstarforum/showpost.php?p=97980&postcount=7) thread


It seems that there might be a problem for Mac users joining a game.

I haven't seen any further comment on this by siread.

[Alex Reeves]

Vista isn't a problem - I use Vista. Can't comment about Mac.

I had the same issue with not being able to see anyone online, until last saturday. it's just a timing thing, although I also had problems hosting games.

[Cookie Monster]

Vista user too. Are you all sure your ports are properly forwarded?

[saloon]

FORUM NAME: saloon
IN-GAME NAME: Andrea Carlo
NATIONALITY: ITALIAN
2009 F1 TEAM: MCFAREN
NATION'S GMT: ITALY GMT +1
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: during the week-end every time

My suggestion:

Laps: 30
Damage: off (readon of lag)
Fuel: of course
COM: none
Qualify: yes
Kers: ...dunno
Point system: I think the actual F1 system to be fine

bye

[bazik]

So it seems the plan is this:

have this test race, with massive participation, and test if its feasible.

IF it is...

then 17 races, 2 per weekend with 2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+1? with a grand season finale maybe with more duration, probably the winner is settled before then.

and the top 11 results count so you can effectively skip 3 whole weekends of the 9.

Does this feel reasonable for everyone?

[Cookie Monster]

Feels nice, but perhaps have less than 11 results counting? If the hours somehow have to change in certain weekends that is. Also no races in Christmas week.

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb and saloon - (FULL)
Ferrari - Cookie Monster - 1 driver available
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - berni19 - 1 driver available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - w1lla - 1 driver available
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction and desiganp - (FULL)
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - peter-27 - 1 driver available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

That's the plan bazik, I think...

[Wulfyn]

Feels nice, but perhaps have less than 11 results counting? If the hours somehow have to change in certain weekends that is. Also no races in Christmas week.

I think if you drop to less than this (say removing one more 2 race weekend) you'll end up with only about 9 races counting - you could potentially have 2 people play almost completely different races and end up fighting for the championship. I think 11 is about the minimum we should go with over 17 races.

As long as we suspend the championship over times when a lot of people are going to be busy I think we'll be fine.

[Cookie Monster]

Alrighty then. If no one joins me in Ferrari I'll join Peter in Force India if that's ok with him :)

[peter-27]

Vista user too. Are you all sure your ports are properly forwarded?

I'm not sure!

I see other users online, but never see any games to join...


Alrighty then. If no one joins me in Ferrari I'll join Peter in Force India if that's ok with him :)

Yeah, that's fine!

[Cookie Monster]

If I recall correctly, you need to forward ports 7776 and 7777 UDP in your router. The process varies from model to model though..

[berni19]

I found good server in Graz / Austria close to me. As i understand for the main race with all the participants, we must find suitable server to all game contenders regarding average distance and quality of it ( minimaze the lag..)
Am i thinkng correctly?
And if anybody wish to join Renault team- i am wide open for any player for the open spot ( except Briattore and Piquet jr.) :lol:

[http://www.newstargames.com/newstarforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1571&stc=1&d=1254770181

[peter-27]

If I recall correctly, you need to forward ports 7776 and 7777 UDP in your router. The process varies from model to model though..

Do what??? lol

[Cookie Monster]

Hehe... What brand is your router/modem?

[peter-27]

I'll PM you with the info

[Honda4Life]

FORUM NAME: Honda4Life
IN-GAME NAME: Adam Mall
NATIONALITY: USA
2009 F1 TEAM: Ferrari
NATION'S GMT: GMT -5 (currently in Daylight Savings period until November 1, so, currently it's GMT -4)
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Anytime from 14:00 GMT - 23:59 GMT

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb and saloon - (FULL)
Ferrari - Cookie Monster and Honda4Life - (FULL)
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - berni19 - 1 driver available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - w1lla - 1 driver available
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction and desiganp - (FULL)
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - peter-27 - 1 driver available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

Hmm, GMT -5... Now that changes things up... You're in the New York time zone, aren't you Honda4Life? If so, here's a overall perspective of time at the race day:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=10&day=24&year=2009&p1=179&p2=136&p3=176&p4=240
Maybe we should re-schedule one hour later, GMT 11:00 AM, without counting with DST, so its not that early in New York or that late in Sydney...

[Alex Reeves]

Seeing as I'm the guy in the world's worst timezone for this, I can even handle it if we push this out to UTC 12:00. I'm a nightowl anyway... :)

[Honda4Life]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb and saloon - (FULL)
Ferrari - Cookie Monster and Honda4Life - (FULL)
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - berni19 - 1 driver available
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - w1lla - 1 driver available
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction and desiganp - (FULL)
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - peter-27 - 1 driver available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

Hmm, GMT -5... Now that changes things up... You're in the New York time zone, aren't you Honda4Life? If so, here's a overall perspective of time at the race day:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=10&day=24&year=2009&p1=179&p2=136&p3=176&p4=240
Maybe we should re-schedule one hour later, GMT 11:00 AM, without counting with DST, so its not that early in New York or that late in Sydney...

Well I certainly don't want to be the inflexible one, but I'm usually out on Saturday mornings. If it comes down to it, I'll try my best to be on then. To clarify, though, if I'm GMT -5 with DST "on", then I'm only 4 hours behind GMT, so if the race were at 11 a.m. GMT, that would simply be 7 a.m. my time, correct?

[Paranhos]

I'm a bit confused actually...

To everybody, the easiest way to see what your local time would be at the racing day, go here (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html?year=2009&month=10&day=24&p1=0&p2=-1&p3=-1&p4=-1). Instead of "None", select your city (or somewhere that has the same local time than yours) and click on "Show Timetable". Since Alex Reeves said it's o.k. for him to race around 12:00 AM on Australia's Local Time, search for GMT 11:00 AM on the left column, and the time on the right column will be your local race time.

@Honda4Life: I'm afraid it'd be very hard for you to race then, since you're not available at Saturday mornings...

[Alex Reeves]

Actually, I said UTC 12:00, which is 2300 in local time with daylight savings adjustments.

There's no way in the world I can do Saturday afternoon US time. What can I say but Timezones suck....

[Wulfyn]

@ Honda4Life - come on mate, just get up early and sneak a game in! Someone with as many top times as you would make for fantastic competition :)

[captinfranko]

This may have already been asked of discussed even but have we decided where this race will be on the 24th, track-wise I mean.

[Paranhos]

Matter of fact, he haven't... How about a poll? :)

[captinfranko]

I vote monaco...love the track and it is the jewel in the crown of F1

[peter-27]

I vote monaco...love the track and it is the jewel in the crown of F1

Monaco IS the jewel in the crown of F1, you are right.

However, i think when were testing we should do the longest track to see how the server will cope. So i guess that would be Belgium?

[Alex Reeves]

Monaco is the track that most people have had technical issues with as well in single player mode. It's not the longest track (Bahrain is, btw, not Belgium!) but it's a fair "worst-case scenario" track. I'd also suggest Australia for the contrast, and because it's the first race on the tournament circuit. No reason why we can't test two tracks!

[bazik]

Monaco IS the jewel in the crown of F1, you are right.

However, i think when were testing we should do the longest track to see how the server will cope. So i guess that would be Belgium?

let it be Spa then..

[peter-27]

It's not the longest track (Bahrain is, btw, not Belgium!)

I'm pretty sure Belgium is?

Sakhir track distance is about 3.37 miles whereas Spa track distance is 4.35 miles (i think that's right anyway...)

[bazik]

Still cant understand why people dont check a nice source before thinking this or that :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_Grand_Prix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_de_Spa-Francorchamps

Spa is longer by a mile or 1.5 km!

[Cookie Monster]

Monaco is the track that most people have had technical issues with as well in single player mode. It's not the longest track (Bahrain is, btw, not Belgium!) but it's a fair "worst-case scenario" track. I'd also suggest Australia for the contrast, and because it's the first race on the tournament circuit. No reason why we can't test two tracks!

Well we will have to race more than two tracks anyway :P I think Monaco's checkpoints and racing lines should be double-checked before we try to race in it after all the issues seen.

[Alex Reeves]

I was referring to the in-game lengths, not the actual lengths. Bahrain, IIRC, has the longest lap time of any track in the game. Is the real-world length relevant in any way to testing???

[peter-27]

Still cant understand why people dont check the a nice source before thinking this or that :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_Grand_Prix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_de_Spa-Francorchamps

Spa is longer by a mile or 1.5 km!

woah! I was dead on with both distances B)


I was referring to the in-game lengths, not the actual lengths. Bahrain, IIRC, has the longest lap time of any track in the game. Is the real-world length relevant in any way to testing???

I think it does because Belgium, being the longest circuit in real life, will have more track distance in game?

I know Bahrain is the slowest track, but i think thats more down to the style of corners and the apexs.

[Wulfyn]

Longest (time wise) tracks in NSGP (as by online leaderboard):


45.984 - Bahrain
43.639 - China
39.120 - Malaysia
37.720 - Belgium
37.551 - UAE
37.158 - Brazil
36.576 - Spain
36.338 - Turkey

all other tracks are sub 35 seconds. So Alex is right that the longest is Bahrain, with China a close 2nd.

[Alex Reeves]

I think it does because Belgium, being the longest circuit in real life, will have more track distance in game?

I know Bahrain is the slowest track, but i think thats more down to the style of corners and the apexs.

I think you assume too much in thinking that the race distances literally match the Real-World equivalents in-game. Even so, I still don't get the logic around why this makes sense as a test track. Lap-time length would make this the longest race by time, which I would think is much more significant regardless.

[Cookie Monster]

Longest time would be the criteria that would make the most sense as Alex is saying, because during a longer period of time, more data is transmitted because well... it's more time :P

[peter-27]

Longest time would be the criteria that would make the most sense as Alex is saying, because during a longer period of time, more data is transmitted because well... it's more time :P

Ah right, i see your point now! :)

[Paranhos]

Only two days until race day, guys! Is everybody gonna make it?

[Cookie Monster]

Anyone want me to host the championship? Tomorrow my connection will be upgraded to 100mb down 6mb up :D So lag will be unexistent or so I hope!

[Paranhos]

Wow! :blimey: That would be perfect! You're the perfect person to host races... My connection is 60 kbytes/sec down and 25 kbytes/sec up...

We barely even have 12 megabits/sec download speed over here! :lol: ... 12,5 megabytes in only one second... Wow.

[felipe1337]

Wow! :blimey: That would be perfect! You're the perfect person to host races... My connection is 60 kbytes/sec down and 25 kbytes/sec up...

We barely even have 12 megabits/sec download speed over here! :lol: ... 12,5 megabytes in only one second... Wow.
That's What we call europe if you've never been there :)

[Paranhos]

Aren't you going to sign up for the championship, felipe1337?

[felipe1337]

Aren't you going to sign up for the championship, felipe1337?
No, but i wish i could... crappy connection speed, dial-up sucks, the state i live sucks, soo, if another championship starts on january i'll be able to play, by that time i'll have already moved to france, where they got internet :)

[peter-27]

That does sound pretty awesome!

[felipe1337]

That does sound pretty awesome!
Moving or crappy internet?

[Cookie Monster]

I am hosting the championship now

[captinfranko]

Okay who si hosting the game today and which game do I need to join? There are a few ut I can't seem to oin any of them

[Cookie Monster]

Can't forward port 7777 gonna try getting a new internal IP to solve this... :(

edit: IP thing solved join now

[Honda4Life]

anyone else having trouble seeing/joining the game after the qualifying bust?

[Paranhos]

I'm having the same problem as well...

[Honda4Life]

hmm... I tried joining Constructor's Break(away?) a few times but ended up getting disconnected each time. I'll try for a few more minutes then I'm off.

[Alex Reeves]

Sorry guys, I got my times mixed up and thought we were doing this later...

Did we have any success with this?

[Cookie Monster]

Yep despite some random crashing (my connection is still unstable). I'll get some videos up later.

[Wulfyn]

Overall I think it went smoothly - we had 7 players and the lag seemed less of an issue than that other time we had 6 players, so I think Cookie's connection helped a lot there.

That said a few people (especially cookie) did have some very bad lag at times, so there is still the potential for someone's race to be ruined. :(


I think a lot of us need to start racing on shorter games to get used to the fuel gauge - quite a few 10th lap splash and dashes!

[Honda4Life]

Yep despite some random crashing (my connection is still unstable). I'll get some videos up later.

Too bad for me. After the qualifying lap I couldn't click "Continue", instead I watched our cars pace the track and then park in pits where I sat for about 2-3 minutes before getting booted back to the online racing screen. The funny thing was, not long after I crossed the S/F line to qualify, I could hear the chat room sound several times as if the others had already exited and were typing.

After that, I either couldn't see any game being hosted or kept getting disconnected from one subsequently created.

I hope it was fun, and look forward to the replay.

Was anyone else using a Mac? I'm wondering if there's still an issue with online play for OS X users.

[Cookie Monster]

I think there were two Macs connected today. I think you were waiting in the pits because I hadn't finished yet (lag!)

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoKhMZB3o74

Round 1. :) Also has HD! And my connection is finally stable!

[captinfranko]

I was playing on a mac and I did have an issue. Its an ongoing one really. This was the first game I have managed to play. Cookie said he set the connection up differently. Whatever he did worked though.

However, after this game somebody then tried to start another game and I couldnt join that.

[Cookie Monster]

But I then reset to the normal settings as the custom ones failed to work :(

[Alex Reeves]

Just to confirm, this was the test race, right, not the actual start of the championship?

[redmelons]

I use a Mac and yesterday I was pleased to discover that I could play on-line (I suspect that I have finally got my router 'port forwarding' to work).

I was the person who tried to start a server, but it didn't seem to work - sorry for the confusion. Do you need to have a static IP to host?

Anyway, I reckon I should join the championship now :)

FORUM NAME: redmelons
IN-GAME NAME: Paul Mellor
NATIONALITY: English
2009 F1 TEAM: Renault
NATION'S GMT: GMT
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: Saturday morning was good :)

[Wulfyn]

Yes this was just a test race.

[Wulfyn]

I was the person who tried to start a server, but it didn't seem to work - sorry for the confusion. Do you need to have a static IP to host?


Not sure - but there are definitely some people that cannot be joined when they host. :(

[Alex Reeves]

I've had problems with hosting as well - I think the issue is related to some ISPs using transparent proxies that alter the outbound http/xml connection. Joining works fine though... :)

So I guess the big question is, is this a viable championship and when do we start for real?

[bazik]

Sorry guys :( wasnt' able to make it yesterday, an unforeseen event ruined it for me :( how did it go?

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb and saloon - (FULL)
Ferrari - Cookie Monster and Honda4Life - (FULL)
BMW - 2 drivers available
Renault - berni19 and redmelons - (FULL)
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - w1lla - 1 driver available
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction and desiganp - (FULL)
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - peter-27 - 1 driver available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

I think we're good to go! Is next week, Saturday 31st, alright to everybody? Let me remind you guys we're only counting your 11 best results for the championship, out of 17 races. As for me... I'm afraid I won't be able to join you, I've got tests on Saturday, and on the following weeks...

For those who got confused with the time zones, go here:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2009&month=10&day=31&hour=10&min=0&sec=0
This site will give you your local time at October 31st (if everybody agrees with the day, of course). Once there, search for your city or somewhere that has the same GMT and DST configurations of your city.

EDIT: I was thinking of something... Perhaps we should have Non-Championship races, which won't count for the championship tally, but will provide more fun and entertainment than only one race... It's not everyday we have 6-12 players online, is it?

[bazik]

and what time is it?

[Cookie Monster]

10:30am GMT iirc.

[captinfranko]

sounds good to me. Saturdays are fantastic! Looking forward to it. Do we have a calendar decided yet?

[Alex Reeves]

Cam we also get a consensus on rules and setup conditions? I'll try and summarise here from the thread.

Confirmed :

Start Time : Saturday 1030 GMT/UTC (Be online at 1000)
Race Conditions : No Damage, No KERS, Fuel on, tyres on, no COM cars.
Race Host : Cookie Monster
Scoring system : top 10 results, with a countback system based on next-best results to eliminate ties. F1 scoring on each race i.e. 10,8,6,5,4,3,2,1.

To be confirmed :

Qualifying : Yes (were there issues with this in the test race?)
Laps : 15, 20, 30?
Number of races per race day, 1 or 2?

FWIW, My vote is for 15 laps and 2 races each race day. Although I think on the first week we should just run Australia, and start with the double headers the week after. This allows us to get all the teething issues out next week.

[captinfranko]

I agree completely, I dont think there were too many issues with qualifying.

[peter-27]

Yep i agree with that!

[fredoxyaction]

yeah i agree with all those conditions. 15 laps is the best, def no kers eurgh.
31st at 10 30 it is.

[Sida79]

:)

FORUM NAME: Sida79
IN-GAME NAME: Srdjan Kos
NATIONALITY: Croatian
2009 F1 TEAM: BMW
NATION'S GMT: GMT+1
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: any

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb and saloon - (FULL)
Ferrari - Cookie Monster and Honda4Life - (FULL)
BMW - Sida79 - 1 driver available
Renault - berni19 and redmelons - (FULL)
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - w1lla - 1 driver available
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction and desiganp - (FULL)
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - peter-27 - 1 driver available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

17 drivers... :blimey:

[Honda4Life]

Perhaps I was one of the few (or only?) individual who experienced problems between end of qualifying and the actual race--I was kicked after qualifying. May I suggest some manner of communication in case there are some unexpected drops? I would normally suggest the chat room, but it's a bit limited as to who can chat and who can see it. Perhaps MSN or something? Otherwise, I guess just leave it as it is.

[Cookie Monster]

Let's hope they all make it, however an alternative would be using MSN to set this up as Honda says. Feel free to add my address.

[floweb]

The NSGP championship becomes a serious project and that's why I designed a website for this championship. I thought it would be more interesting and more exciting reading results, drivers, news, etc on a website instead in the forum.

This website is still under construction, but I have already uploaded it because the championship starts today. Next few days or weeks I will add more content and the news system...

Furthermore, I need 1-2 editors for keeping the website up to date. I won't have enough time :) - Anyone interested? (HTML-skills are required)

btw here is the URL: http://nsgp.pytalhost.org/

[bazik]

When is the 1st race? i'll be unavailable tomorrow :/

[Wulfyn]

The first race is 2 hours from now!

[Alex Reeves]

I'm online and waiting.....

[captinfranko]

Race one waiting to get underway now if anyone else is watching and wanting to join

[Wulfyn]

Last call - race in 5 mins!!!

[Cookie Monster]

SORRY I OVERSLEPT! :(

Will host

[Wulfyn]

ok so cookie dropped (something about an ip change) and now I am stuck on loading

going to disconnect the client and rehost

[Cookie Monster]

Unless i figure out what is wrong with my crap router, no online racing for the future... sorry guys.

[Wulfyn]

After a false start was dealt with the final standings were:


1st - Spindizzy : 10pts
2nd - Daniel : 8pts
3rd - Andrea : 6pts
4th - Paul : 5pts
5th - Chris : 4pts
6th - Srdjan : 3pts
7th - Pablo : 2pts
8th - Florian : 1pt


Grats to spin who had an impeccable race from start to finish. I started from the back and had to fight my way up through the pack - some real last lap scrapping until Paul had to have a splash and dash and I just managed to get ahead of Andrea with less than half of the final lap remaining.

Not sure what happened to the other guys (I know that a couple of people had some freeze frames for a touch) so do share!

[captinfranko]

I ballsed up qualifying so was quite chuffed that I started seventh, fuelled right up and just ran to fifth.

[Wulfyn]

Next week i propose that we have a 1015 assemble time for a 1030 prompt start time. I estimate it'll take about 30 mins to get the race and quali etc done, so the second race will start around 1100.

This will allow everyone to get finished before spin has to go to bed ;)

[King Rob]

If anything is still ongoing, i can stand in for cookie?

Okay scratch that, I didn't realise the race had already happened lol

[felipe1337]

Geez, you guys start it too early

[Alex Reeves]

It's not early in my timezone!

As I said before, I can start a little later (1 hour) if that helps, but seeing as we agreed on the best time for the most people, it's a tad late to change that.

Was a great race. one bug that we've found is that the host will always qualify last, regardless of qualy time. This is an obvious handicap (although kudos to Daniel both for hosting, and for still managing P2!) but we either need Si to fix this (please?) or to think about what this means for hosting and qualifying. Personally, I'd be happy to make the grid random and do away with qualy, or should we share hosting duties around?

8 people in a race worked well - no lag on my side (obviously...). Had a good fight early on with Sida79, then pulled away once the car got lighter. Best lap 30:176, Race time 7:58. Winning margin 6 seconds. Toyota 1-2 for the early constructors lead....

[captinfranko]

i think random grid instead of sharing hosting duties...simply because I am on mac here and I know there has been issues before. Plus I dont think qualifying really adds that much anyway.

[Sida79]

I found qualifying (due to same starting positions and no crashing) the most enjoyable part. If the issue cannot be resolved in short time I wouldn't mind random positions... sharing hosting duties seems much better though, but who knows how that would work.

My race went down the toilet with AV firing up and causing a bunch of freeze frames (sometimes almost 2 seconds in duration) which had me crashing in almost every lap and driving bad laps all together. Before and after race, however, everything was smooth and sweet :D

[peter-27]

I didn't even know the race was today! :(

[Alex Reeves]

I didn't even know the race was today! :(

Every Saturday 1030 UTC/GMT for the next 8 weeks.... 2 races each night from here on in - Malaysia and China next!

Considering how long we've been talking about this....

[Sida79]

It is kinda burried in the posts now... if it would be possible to add all the useful info to the first post or smth, that would be great.

[Wulfyn]

I'm happy either way with qualifying:

On the one hand it was a lot of fun to scrape my way through the field, and I think it makes for a far more interesting race overall if the field is mixed up so that we have lots of overtaking manoeuvres.

On the other hand with no damage there is a lot of blocking going on - I got alongside a lot of people only to see them deliberately move across the track to try and knock me onto the grass to keep their place. Don't think this is avoidable (as we can't have damage with the potential of lag), so it means that people who start further back will have a hard time winning.



We just need the hosting goes to the back issue fixed, as some people cannot host so it would be unfair to make some people have to do this and not everyone.

[peter-27]

Every Saturday 1030 UTC/GMT for the next 8 weeks.... 2 races each night from here on in - Malaysia and China next!

Considering how long we've been talking about this....

okay, but so many different times were mentioned i got confused!

[floweb]

It is kinda burried in the posts now... if it would be possible to add all the useful info to the first post or smth, that would be great.


okay, but so many different times were mentioned i got confused!

Yep, me too. That's why I designed a website for this championship. On this website there should be all helpful information about the racing times, latest results, drivers, etc.
In my view this way is better than sharing information through the forum...

I still need 1-2 editors or championship-administrators for keeping this website up to date (writing results, news, making rules, setting up racing times, etc.)

(official) NSGP Championship website (http://nsgp.pytalhost.org)

[Moonshine]

FORUM NAME: Mooonshine
IN-GAME NAME: Max Edwards
NATIONALITY: English
2009 F1 TEAM: BMW
NATION'S GMT: GMT
AVAILABLE GMT TIME: any

[redmelons]

YThat's why I designed a website for this championship.

Are you going to have the results and championship table on the website?

[Paranhos]

Updated Roster:

McLaren-Mercedes - floweb and saloon - (FULL)
Ferrari - Cookie Monster and Honda4Life - (FULL)
BMW - Sida79 and Mooonshine - (FULL)
Renault - berni19 and redmelons - (FULL)
Toyota - Alex Reeves and Wulfyn - (FULL)
Toro Rosso - w1lla - 1 driver available
Red Bull - Fredoxyaction and desiganp - (FULL)
Williams - Paranhos and bazik - (FULL)
Force India - peter-27 - 1 driver available
Brawn GP - FilipeMB and captinfranko - (FULL)

Sorry I couldn't make it guys...

[floweb]

Are you going to have the results and championship table on the website?

The results from the Australian Grand Prix are already online: http://nsgp.pytalhost.org/results.php
(head-image = main navigation)

The website-design will be better and I will add more content and finish the news management system next days/week...

[Alex Reeves]

Errata : Wulfyn is team Toyota. It might be a good idea to add our in-game names to the scoresheets, so we know who is who when online.

[redmelons]

The results from the Australian Grand Prix are already online: http://nsgp.pytalhost.org/results.php

Thanks, but how do you get to the results from the main page?

[Sida79]

One of the huge, impossible-to-miss, links in the page header? :)

[Alex Reeves]

Yeah, make sure scripts are enabled, then the header changes when you mouse rollver it. Flo, I think a side or top menu as well might be a bit more intuitive....

[redmelons]

One of the huge, impossible-to-miss, links in the page header? :)

Thanks, I thought that was just a pretty picture at the top :)

[Honda4Life]

I'm out gentlemen. Sorry, but I'm simply not going to get up at 5 a.m. on a Saturday for, well, anything.

[felipe1337]

I'm out gentleman. Sorry, but I'm simply not going to get up at 5 a.m. on a Saturday for, well, anything.
That's why i didn't even bothered signing in

[floweb]

I'm out gentlemen. Sorry, but I'm simply not going to get up at 5 a.m. on a Saturday for, well, anything.


That's why i didn't even bothered signing in

That's sad, but here is another solution:

What about this time: 21:00:00 UTC time or 22:00:00 on fridays (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=11&year=2009&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=0)

I hate to say that, but I couldn't find another solution :(

[Cookie Monster]

That's Lisbon 21h so it works for me. Unless ofc I have a test or dinner is late. But that doesn't happen too often.

[Paranhos]

Good for me as well.

[Alex Reeves]

Frankly, this is BS. We've had literally weeks of discussion about the best time, and I think it's a bit rich to be trying to propose new times now that we've started. We ran a test race at that time, that was also designed to work out if this was the best time. If this was an issue and a better alternate time could be suggested, then the *weeks* of time we spent discussing this prior to the start should have been the time for this, not now.

I'm against this change, and if we are going to move this, I would suggest we move the current start time forward 2 hours i.e. UTC/GMT1200. This *was* suggested in the forums some time ago. I am against some totally new suggestion, as it is inevitable that someone will be placed in exactly the same problem position. The reality of this is you can't please everyone....

[redmelons]

I am against some totally new suggestion, as it is inevitable that someone will be placed in exactly the same problem position.

I agree with Alex. Those who took part in the off-season testing agreed on a day and time - changing it now may just force some of them to drop out.

I think the reality is that it's impossible to come up with a time when people in vastly different time zones can be on line together, and we probably need 'regional' championships.

[captinfranko]

I agree also I signed up because that time was good for me and also under the understanding that it would stay like that. There is no way Im playing at the new times I'm afraid.

Its a shame that some people cant play but if we are changing the times so that they can then the originals will drop out anyway. Which cuts our nose off to spite our face.

[Paranhos]

Then I guess it'll be very difficult for me to race, as I'm having final exams for three weeks in a row at Saturdays 8:00 AM... :(

I'll catch up with you guys at Germany....

[Sida79]

Exactly. I could also manage a few hours before or after the current time but I'd be out with the newly proposed one.

[Alex Reeves]

Just looking through this - we had a Player "Pablo" in our race, but this person doesn't seem to be affiliated with a team? Can "Pablo" identify themselves here and sign up?

[peter-27]

So the race is tomorrow at 1030 GMT?

[Alex Reeves]

Correct. Be online 15 mins beforehand so that we can start at 1030 and get through two races. Not sure what we'll do about qualy, we'll have a vote in the lobby between random or sacrificing the host.

[bazik]

I quit... the time of the races sucks for me, and all the suggestions i've heard are crappy for me too. Sorry Paranhos

[Cookie Monster]

I'm off too, unless the custom UDP port bug is fixed or my router starts working for once. Sorry guys :(

[Wulfyn]

There's no reason why you can't set up another time that suits other people in addition to the one currently proposed - even if it is just to get a regular game against others.

[Alex Reeves]

Another massive day of racing at the NSGP Championships.

Malaysia.

Another day of perfect weather for the champs (unlike the RL Malaysia monsoon!). Spindizzzy dominated qualifying, leading by 2 seconds to grab pole position. This speed extended to the race itself, with a lead quickly established and held for the entire race. The battle for position 2,3,4 was epic, with Sdjdan, Daniel and Andrea regularly swapping places. Final results :

Spindizzy 10
Andrea Carlo 8
Daniel Holland 6
Srdjan Kos 5
Paul Mellor 4

Only 5 racers, which was a little disappointing. still made for some excellent racing!

China

Another great race, with lots of variety in fuel strategy leading to many lead changes. Qualy went to SpinDizzy again, but only by 0.012 seconds. That same closeness was apparent in the race, with everyone lapping remarkably similar times and a massive 4-way dive into turn 3 on lap 2 that had all drivers scrambling. Once the dust settled, Spindizzy, Srdjan, Daniel and Paul all swapped the lead, as the different fual strategies played out. The final laps saw Spindizzy and Srdjan in a tense duel for the lead, lost when Spindizzy misjudged the S-bend and lost valuable time. Final results :

Srdjan Kos 10
SpinDizzy 8
Daniel Holland 6
Paul Mellor 5
Andrea Carlo 4

Driver's Championship (remember, top 10 races count, so there's still plenty of time to catch up!)
SpinDizzy 28 Daniel Holland 20 Andrea Carlo 18 Srdjan Kos 18 Paul Mellor 14 Chris Copeman 4 Pablo 2 Cookie Monster 0
Constructors Championship

Toyota 48 McLaren-Mercedes 19 BMW 18 Renault 14 Brawn GP 4 Toro Rosso 0 Force India 0 Williams 0 Ferrari 0 Red Bull 0

Toyota and SpinDizzy are dominating the early season so far, but the top-10 results means that it's still anyone's championship.

[Sida79]

I am unable to understand the lack of interest here. If the races are held on weekend a majority should be able to participate... I would get up at 4AM if needed, hell, it's weekend after all!

Maybe we should run all races twice, 12 hours (or whatever would work) apart?
Because, after all, fun is more important than 'realism', right? I'd even encourage anyone able - to enter both races.

Whaddya say?

[Alex Reeves]

As wulfyn has said, there's nothing stopping another championship forming at another time - except that people would have to go through the same tortuous process of selecting that time, and finding out which works best for said set of people. Particularly for the US timezones, the current time isn't ideal, but a time that is good for them will be problematic for Europe and/or Asia, and then there's the people who are time-poor and can only do certain times....

I'd love to see more people commit to this, but as it's purely for fun and there's nothing lost in signing up and not showing, and nothing gained for showing up (except the immense enjoyment we all get out of good racing!) it's not really surprising. Hopefully the people here who are playing can get the others motivated - the more the merrier!

Sadly, I'll be on a plane for this week's round, so won't be able to make it. But I'll be back for the next week!

[peter-27]

I cant wait for Saturday now :)

[peter-27]

Im online, but can't get into the game.

I press join game, it looks like the chat bit is loading but then it says disconnected form host! :(

[Wulfyn]

I have the same problem

[Sida79]

I'm getting exactly the same message... what OS are you running?
I can chat with myself when I start a game though - lol

[peter-27]

Im on Vista

[peter-27]

Okay, all working now! :)

[Wulfyn]

Well I'm out too. Too much deliberate crashing, especially from Andrea Carlo. Just not any fun.

Please remove me from the championship.

[peter-27]

Well I'm out too. Too much deliberate crashing, especially from Andrea Carlo. Just not any fun.

Please remove me from the championship.

Thats a pretty rubbish attitude really.

[Sida79]

Guys, this is silly... you play to have fun, not to win. If somebody is willing to make an a** out of himself to win I say you should let him :)

You can enter in the post race comments: "great" win, "congrats", and such... :P

[peter-27]

Race Results

Bahrain:

1ST - Andrea Carlo (McLaren)
2ND - Daniel Holland (Toyota)
3RD - Paul Mellor (Renault)
4TH - Peter Santamaria-Woods (Force India)
DNF - Srdjan Kos (BMW)

Spain:

1ST - Srdjan Kos (BMW)
2ND - Paul Mellor (Renault)
3RD - Peter Santamaria-Woods (Force India)
DNF - Andrea Carlo (McLaren)

[redmelons]

Come on Wulfyn, just enjoy the knockabout :) We were ALL bumping and being bumped. Maybe you don't see what's going on with the other cars and think it's just you? Last week I was sent flying right off the track at least twice by knocks from behind (may even have been by you), but we just get back on the track and try to catch up -that's the fun.

There aren't enough of us playing to be precious about it - we need more players, so please, come on and just have fun :D

[Alex Reeves]

Well I'm out too. Too much deliberate crashing, especially from Andrea Carlo. Just not any fun.

Please remove me from the championship.

I'd like to see you stick around - seeing as our test races with damage enabled went reasonably well, perhaps we could agree to turn damage on for the next round. It should be remembered that with latency, there's always going to be a delay between people trying to protect a line and not seeing which way you're moving past them. So a little bit of argy bargy is inevitable.

I think I got home just as ppl were leaving the second race. I'll definitely be back for next week, I hope we can get some good numbers and this doesn't die out.... remember all, because its top-10 race results that count you can start now and still be an excellent chance at being champion!

[Sida79]

It should be remembered that with latency, there's always going to be a delay between people trying to protect a line and not seeing which way you're moving past them. So a little bit of argy bargy is inevitable.

:redface: That's true... I've done that to people and others have done that to me. I don't mind to crash out, I am just not a fan of two things:

1) when you drive side-by-side and get pushed out of the track for no reason
other than pure destruction, e.g. I got 3 of those in the same race from the same person :)

2) when "overtaking" is done by ramming a person that has positioned himself to take the curve and using him as a cushion :)

bumping from the front/rear and side bumping while both are trying to enter a curve is perfectly normal, of course.

[peter-27]

:redface: That's true... I've done that to people and others have done that to me. I don't mind to crash out, I am just not a fan of two things:

1) when you drive side-by-side and get pushed out of the track for no reason
other than pure destruction, e.g. I got 3 of those in the same race from the same person :)

2) when "overtaking" is done by ramming a person that has positioned himself to take the curve and using him as a cushion :)

bumping from the front/rear and side bumping while both are trying to enter a curve is perfectly normal, of course.

I agree totally.

I used to run an online racing league for EA Sports F1 2002 and we had the same problem. We got around the problem by enabling damage. After a race i asked drivers to privately complain to me about any unfairness they believe happened during a race. Me and two other moderators would then playback the race and review incidents givening penaltys if nessessary. We had one player who consistently caused accidents on purpose and we kicked him out of the championship. It seemed to work. Obviously NSGP doesn't have a function to playback races, maybe this is something for SI to think about? However, we could use some kind of recording software perhaps?

What do you guys think?

[redmelons]

I think we should remember that NSGP is NOT an 'F1 simulator'. It is, in the creator's words 'a top-down racing game inspired by classic games such as Super Sprint and Micro Machines'. A fair bit of 'bumping and barging' is intrinsic to the gameplay on these game styles.

The alternative is that everyone just pulls over and the best player just wins each race by a mile - where's the fun in that?

[peter-27]

I think we should remember that NSGP is NOT an 'F1 simulator'. It is, in the creator's words 'a top-down racing game inspired by classic games such as Super Sprint and Micro Machines'. A fair bit of 'bumping and barging' is intrinsic to the gameplay on these game styles.

The alternative is that everyone just pulls over and the best player just wins each race by a mile - where's the fun in that?

Yeah true i see what your saying, however the game is based on Formula One. In Formula One, you don't bump and barge (Unless your Sutil :doh:). If it was purely non-simulation then it wouldn't be based on F1.

But yeah, i do see your point. We need to get the balance between simulation and fun esentially.

[Cookie Monster]

I'll record races if needed, but having replays in online races would be the best way to check for barging (intentional barging of course) as Peter said. I've still not solved my port problem though..

[peter-27]

I'll record races if needed, but having replays in online races would be the best way to check for barging (intentional barging of course) as Peter said. I've still not solved my port problem though..

That's very wierd as you helped my solve my port problem!

[Cookie Monster]

Yeah, my router is saying something about port being in use no matter what IP i choose :|

EDIT: FIXED! COUNT ME IN FOR NEXT WEEK :D

[peter-27]

Yeah, my router is saying something about port being in use no matter what IP i choose :|

EDIT: FIXED! COUNT ME IN FOR NEXT WEEK :D

Awesome :D

[Sida79]

can't wait! :D

this is one hell of a fun championship, if you ask me :)
peter and redmelons - you're both right.

this is an F1 game so I try and keep it real (for my enjoyment of f1-pretend), and keep my cars out of other drivers cars' (for their enjoyment as that is what games are for) :)

it's also not meant to be a simulation so yeah, bump ahead :)

I see damage as a good option there, not perfect, but better than no damage at all.

[Alex Reeves]

Considering we ran two races last week as test runs with damage on, where the damage modelling seemed to improve the quality of the racing and no-one found it too much of a problem, I think we'll run a vote amongst the people that are around next weekend to turn it on. Majority rules. Sound reasonable?

CM - recording the race would be great, except that you can't record all people, just yourself. We need a proper save/replay function for the host. Another thing to add to the list for Si and NSGP 1.5 or 2.0.

[Sida79]

Indeed... how come, though, there are so many online records (with times much faster than mine) but not so much interest for the series... *sighs*

[peter-27]

Considering we ran two races last week as test runs with damage on, where the damage modelling seemed to improve the quality of the racing and no-one found it too much of a problem, I think we'll run a vote amongst the people that are around next weekend to turn it on. Majority rules. Sound reasonable?

CM - recording the race would be great, except that you can't record all people, just yourself. We need a proper save/replay function for the host. Another thing to add to the list for Si and NSGP 1.5 or 2.0.

What if the vote is split? :P


Indeed... how come, though, there are so many online records (with times much faster than mine) but not so much interest for the series... *sighs*

Yeah, i can't understand that either.

Maybe we should start PM'img the people who post in the NSGP section alot and personally invite them to the league?

[Alex Reeves]

What if the vote is split? :P



As it's a rule change, we'll need a clear majority. Think that's fair enough. Any objections?

[Cookie Monster]

Speak now or forever hold your breath! :P

I agree with the idea.

[Alex Reeves]

Updated NSGP Championship standings :



Driver Races Points
Paul Mellor 5 28
Srdjan Kos 4 28
SpinDizzy 3 28
Andrea Carlo 4 28
Daniel Holland 4 28
Peter Santamaria-Woods 2 11
Chris Copeman 1 4
Pablo 1 2
Florian Pachinger 1 1
So it's now a five-way tie at the top. But remember, only the top 10 results count, so there's plenty of room to improve. Yes, I'm a geek, and I've built a cool spreadsheet to calculate all this stuff out... :)

Constructors Champs.

Toyota 56
McLaren-Mercedes 29
Renault 28
BMW 28
Force India 11
Brawn GP 4
Toro Rosso 0
Williams 0
Ferrari 0
Red Bull 0

Toyota still way in front.... :) But a big scramble for P2-4. Force India making a strong entry after missing the early rounds.

Some big names still leaving their run late, let's hope they get started soon! Although with Bumpgate and driver protests about times, let's hope that the season will make it to the end!

Till next Saturday (when I won't be on a plane!)

[peter-27]

Bumpgate :lol:

What about the NSGP Website. Doesn't seem to be being updated often...

[Alex Reeves]

I did last week's results, haven't heard from Floweb about updates.... floweb, you still out there?

[peter-27]

I did last week's results, haven't heard from Floweb about updates.... floweb, you still out there?

I messaged him about a week ago, but no reply yet...

[Sida79]

Sounds like spam to me, but I'm willing to give it a shot :D


What if the vote is split? :P
Yeah, i can't understand that either.

Maybe we should start PM'img the people who post in the NSGP section alot and personally invite them to the league?

[Cookie Monster]

Oh don't worry, I'll pass it off as legit PMing ;)

[peter-27]

It's not really spam!

Spam would be 'buy this wonder drug' or something like that.

[saloon]

I just want to remember to daniel (wulfyn) that i've been sent off of the track (and get stuck in the barrier) form spin dizzy in a contact's crash.

I just take it easy bluffing a DSQ in the post race.....

I choose this example because spin is the most correct pilot in the game (together with kos).

I think it's impossible to judge collision in the turns.

Different is deliberatly crashing during the straight!

By the way, I don't want to complain or accuse noone in the champ.

In my opinion we got three different way's decision:

1- turn the damage on (i think the best decision if playing a small number of pilot)

2- make imperative for everyone to use a choosen screencasting software and then post the videos on the forum for judgement (i think cookie could teach us how to use programs)

3- make race longer (60 lap) for make collision's value smaller

Hi to everyone (daniel too)

[redmelons]

- make race longer (60 lap) for make collision's value smaller

I would vote for that (30 or 60 lap races) because, as you say it would reduce the importance of minor incidents, and, more importantly in my opinion, make the race more about consistent driving than about fuel strategy.

Perhaps we could consider longer races for the next season?